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PostSubject: Living Thoughtform   Living Thoughtform EmptySat Dec 28, 2013 9:10 am

Okay so I recently decided to make a thoughform, but make it an angel like the ones that were once under me, but yea I know at one point I was allowed to create one angel with Metatron so this brought up that my thoughtform could be an angel/shadow. I want it to become it's own being as well. My basic uses for him/her would be basically to help pull me into the astral realm/guardian type being.

My reason for such is because I almost astral projected(this was around my awakening to zadkiel) that something pushed me back in my body and since then I have had a hard time getting out.

Any thoughts or advice?
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PostSubject: Re: Living Thoughtform   Living Thoughtform EmptySat Dec 28, 2013 5:25 pm

This sounds like you're trying to make a tulpa.

I love it when I know what I'm talking about.

Tulpas, as you may already know, are thoughtforms that are created by a host to live and interact with inside their head. Tulpas are no more than a figment of your imagination, though they are sentient in your mind. You can make your tulpa any way you want it to be. Boy, girl, dork, jock, Cthulu, me, a cartoon character, a talking carton of milk, eggs, I'm going to stop there.

Anyways, tulpas are safe to make. They can't take over your mind/body if you don't want them to. They have as much access to your thoughts and memories as you want them to have, and they usually understand you perfectly. I'm not an expert on tulpas, but I know a thing or two about them. I recommend this site

http://www.tulpa.info/

I personally haven't made a tulpa yet. But I do plan on it someday in the near future. This thoughtform should be able to carry over into any plane of existence with you, being it is technically a part of you.
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PostSubject: Re: Living Thoughtform   Living Thoughtform EmptySat Dec 28, 2013 5:31 pm

I decided not to make a tulpa, instead a servitor/golem classification which is a construct shaped and given programming etc. With tulpa I didnt feel that it would benefit me, thus I skipped that. With the golem/servitor it has a better chance of being it's own being. Basically starting as a construct.
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PostSubject: Re: Living Thoughtform   Living Thoughtform EmptySat Dec 28, 2013 5:42 pm

Zadki'el wrote:
I decided not to make a tulpa, instead a servitor/golem classification which is a construct shaped and given programming etc. With tulpa I didnt feel that it would benefit me, thus I skipped that. With the golem/servitor it has a better chance of being it's own being. Basically starting as a construct.

So an energy construct is what you're making? Ah, that makes sense. I know about those too!  Razz 

Do you have basic training in energy manipulation currently? Having experience in that will be quite beneficial in the course of making a sentient construct.

It should begin by making an energy ball (psi ball, chi ball, whatever the cool kids are calling it nowadays. lol). Then you want to move your thoughts and intentions into the energy ball, thus programming it for a task(s). After that you may program its shape. Think hard about what you want it to look like. Push your intent onto it. Visualize it changing its form into your desired shape. You may need to touch it up here or there, but that's the gist of it.
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PostSubject: Re: Living Thoughtform   Living Thoughtform EmptySat Dec 28, 2013 5:47 pm

Yea I was up all night, lol literally xD it's 11:45am now. But I gave it a name Zanari'el, his programming is to pull me into astral realm through sleeping after an hour, or in meditation when I get deep enough in it.

I have a friend that recommended I create it chakra points and meridians based on my own that way he'd be the actual kintype of myself. I willed/intent his body to be male 6ft angelic, Hopefully it works because for some reason I feel he's there, but I dont want to be biased.
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PostSubject: Re: Living Thoughtform   Living Thoughtform EmptySat Dec 28, 2013 7:02 pm

Zadki'el wrote:
Yea I was up all night, lol literally xD it's 11:45am now. But I gave it a name Zanari'el, his programming is to pull me into astral realm through sleeping after an hour, or in meditation when I get deep enough in it.

I have a friend that recommended I create it chakra points and meridians based on my own that way he'd be the actual kintype of myself. I willed/intent his body to be male 6ft angelic, Hopefully it works because for some reason I feel he's there, but I dont want to be biased.

If you can feel him, odds are, he's there. This is good! I hope he works well for you!
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PostSubject: Re: Living Thoughtform   Living Thoughtform EmptySat Dec 28, 2013 7:04 pm

FeirceDeity64 wrote:
Zadki'el wrote:
Yea I was up all night, lol literally xD it's 11:45am now. But I gave it a name Zanari'el, his programming is to pull me into astral realm through sleeping after an hour, or in meditation when I get deep enough in it.

I have a friend that recommended I create it chakra points and meridians based on my own that way he'd be the actual kintype of myself. I willed/intent his body to be male 6ft angelic, Hopefully it works because for some reason I feel he's there, but I dont want to be biased.

If you can feel him, odds are, he's there. This is good! I hope he works well for you!

Thanks, you have any experience with them?
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PostSubject: Re: Living Thoughtform   Living Thoughtform EmptySat Dec 28, 2013 7:14 pm

Zadki'el wrote:
FeirceDeity64 wrote:
Zadki'el wrote:
Yea I was up all night, lol literally xD it's 11:45am now. But I gave it a name Zanari'el, his programming is to pull me into astral realm through sleeping after an hour, or in meditation when I get deep enough in it.

I have a friend that recommended I create it chakra points and meridians based on my own that way he'd be the actual kintype of myself. I willed/intent his body to be male 6ft angelic, Hopefully it works because for some reason I feel he's there, but I dont want to be biased.

If you can feel him, odds are, he's there. This is good! I hope he works well for you!

Thanks, you have any experience with them?

Back in my earlier days with psionics I experimented with energy constructs. I never went as far as making sentient energy beings, but I did learn a whole lot about them.
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PostSubject: Re: Living Thoughtform   Living Thoughtform EmptySat Dec 28, 2013 9:28 pm

the problem with constructs is that the moment they get any form of freedom you lose control.

The other thing, of course, is that if they receive or achieve free will/intelligence, you're thrown into a whole ethical maelstrom.

Having experienced both tulpas (although I didn't know that's what they're called), and a construct, I would say with the one you do whatever you want and let your limits be those you can imagine, with the other be very very careful, you sit down and carefully plan perameters and, in particular, boundaries, before you do anything.

Something like that gets out of control surprisingly easily and is surprisingly difficult to get a handle on again.
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PostSubject: Re: Living Thoughtform   Living Thoughtform EmptySat Dec 28, 2013 9:30 pm

Ishtahar wrote:
the problem with constructs is that the moment they get any form of freedom you lose control.

The other thing, of course, is that if they receive or achieve free will/intelligence,  you're thrown into a whole ethical maelstrom.

Having experienced both tulpas (although I didn't know that's what they're called), and a construct, I would say with the one you do whatever you want and let your limits be those you can imagine, with the other be very very careful, you sit down and carefully plan perameters and, in particular, boundaries, before you do anything.

Something like that gets out of control surprisingly easily and is surprisingly difficult to get a handle on again.

True. If it goes rogue, and it was programmed with a decent amount of power. Things can get really bad.
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PostSubject: Re: Living Thoughtform   Living Thoughtform EmptySun Dec 29, 2013 2:32 am

That's why I made sure to have positive though, have it sustain itself off divine energy, gave it traits and things. I mean I would like for it to be it's own being as in how some beings manifest in the astral. I figure if it gets free will it would do like any being would. If mistreated revolt, if treated nicely it could be an ally or friend. Though I might be over thinking.
This is my first time doing this.
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PostSubject: Re: Living Thoughtform   Living Thoughtform EmptySun Dec 29, 2013 3:29 am

Zadki'el wrote:
That's why I made sure to have positive though, have it sustain itself off divine energy, gave it traits and things. I mean I would like for it to be it's own being as in how some beings manifest in the astral. I figure if it gets free will it would do like any being would. If mistreated revolt, if treated nicely it could be an ally or friend. Though I might be over thinking.
This is my first time doing this.

You should be fine, just be careful.
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PostSubject: Re: Living Thoughtform   Living Thoughtform EmptyWed Jun 25, 2014 4:33 pm

Interesting. How are things going with it now that it's been several months?
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PostSubject: Re: Living Thoughtform   Living Thoughtform EmptyThu Jul 03, 2014 7:38 pm

I've been wondering about that lately, too
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