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PostSubject: Rahman, Mesopotamian, Zoroastrianism   Thu Nov 25, 2010 7:32 am

I was talking with Raz the other day (hope you don't mind me mentioning so ;;; ) and I brought up something that's been becoming more of a ... thing. There are all these links coming up between me and this "Mesopotamian deity" called Astarte. Raz then said that he'd heard a name "Rhaman" the other day and asked if I was familiar with it.

I felt, when I read it, very familiar with it. As if that had been a brother or something to me, and that he had done something horrible. I remember thinking "he killed everyone" or "everyone died." We looked the name up on wikipedia, and got Rahman:

"Rahman (Arabic: رحمن, Raḥmān) is an Arabic male name. It is the elative of Raḥim, based on the triconsonantal root R-Ḥ-M. In Islam, the name ar-Raḥmān, meaning "The Beneficent, The Most Merciful in Essence, The Compassionate, The Most Gracious" is considered most special of the Names of God in Islam. Rahman can be short for Abdur Rahman "servant of al-Rahman", i.e. "servant of God". With nisba, the name becomes Rahmani and is used as a surname." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahman_%28name%29)

There are two parts to this that stand out to me. One being that ar-Rahman is said to be a "name of God" and this being, this Rahman does strike me as someone that falsely convinced others somehow that he was god.

The other being the title itself, "ar-Rahman." Speaking it out, I can't help but think it's related to "Ahriman."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahriman

Reading all this simply makes me feel deeply, deeply sad. Kind of regretful. As if something bad happened that I didn't know would happen but I partially blame myself for not stopping it. As if someone I loved was lost, as well as the victims of his treachery. I most of all just... don't want to read it, any of it. It feels like my heart will break from sadness.

Thoughts are welcome.

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PostSubject: Re: Rahman, Mesopotamian, Zoroastrianism   Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:01 am

This sounds like even more to do with that sort of mirror-image duality we were talking about... like Lewis Carroll's Looking Glass, with the reflection appearing the same, but right or wrong depending on which side you're on. That was my thought, on reading that link.

My brain is definitely shutting down for the night this time, but kudos for the fortitude to go even more in-depth on something that makes you feel so rotten. I'll let you know if I come up with more ramblings. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Rahman, Mesopotamian, Zoroastrianism   Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:07 am

Thanks Love. I appreciate your thoughts on the matter.... only through facing pain can I have freedom. I embrace the suffering even as I hate it.

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PostSubject: Re: Rahman, Mesopotamian, Zoroastrianism   Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:24 pm

just to give you a heads up, no i don't mind if you share the stuff we talked about, Dream! i appreciate your dogged determination to find out more, though, i didn't get much more than the name, which i suppose really doesn't give me much incentive to explore it and find out more. though i hope your own search yields better results. if any more information comes to me during meditation, i will be sure to contact you ^-^


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PostSubject: This pertains to all of us!   Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:07 pm

To forgive someone is not an act of cowardice, but of might and power because it symbolizes exercise of responsibility:

1. Responsibility in exercising your wisdom and take ownership of your evolution and prevent your psyche and consciousness from being harmed.

2. Responsibility in setting up good example to the culprit and thus help in his/her evolution.

3. Responsibility in acting for greater peace in the society.

To forgive is also not to forget as we must learn from our past experience and mistake of others.


Here is an example showing benefits of forgiveness :

Someone attacks you without provocation. You defend yourself and then report to the appropriate authorities. That person, after going through corrective measure realizes his/her mistake and stop bothering you. You forgive that person. Result: - i) Your psyche is not burdened by hatred and vengeance, ii) The culprit learns a lesson that there is no punishment in backing down/letting go or asking for mercy, and iii) There is no cycle for violence
between you and the culprit.

However, in this instance there is a fear of a herd mentality those not allowing those others to grow through choice as they should be. We all have choices to make both good and bad and I for one Love all of you equally and it hurts my heart to see such bickering going on. Please find your peace but don't run away from this window that is coming because if we lose it, it won't be around for another 10,000 years or so.

I have had 63 years of holding back and not being accepted for who and what I was and am and now that I have a family they want to bite and burn each other! Stay together my loves, stay together and be as one. We don't walk away from adversity nor each other. I have pledged my soul to this cause and I for the life of me don't want to lose it nor should any of you for that matter!

In Peace, Love and Light!


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PostSubject: Re: Rahman, Mesopotamian, Zoroastrianism   Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:07 pm

We have all done things that we shouldn't have, that we are not proud of.

Who of the fallen did not kill, did not fight to the last, did not do whatever they had to do to protect those they loved? They may have failed but oh god how they tried and they would have done anything necessary.

First do not jump to conclusions that because he did things that were inherenty considered to be evil that he was evil. The world has done its best to demonize us for a very very long time and there are times when it's tempting to believe them.

The Morningstar too has been called devil, master or lies, deceiver... and yes, he was but he had his reasons and they were NOT inherently evil. He was a warrior, a commander and, like all of us he did what he had to do.

perhaps Rahman was the same. We do not always understand motive even in the ones we love and sometimes we cannot reveal it even to the ones we love.

It may be that this man was what they say he was and what you beleive he may have been but keep an open heart, it may be that the reason you grieve is because of the way that the truth you know in your heart has been distorted
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PostSubject: Re: Rahman, Mesopotamian, Zoroastrianism   Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:28 am

You are preaching to the choir my friend! I love you I love you I love you I have worked and am working still through many of those demons this year (for example http://fallenshadow.darkbb.com/members-chat-f19/hi-my-name-is-what-t128.htm and [trigger warning about graphic descriptions of the children] http://fallenshadow.darkbb.com/the-past-f12/many-things-how-i-m-connected-to-the-fallen-and-nephilim-t238.htm )

The pain of remembrance is in coming to terms with evils we or others may have done, yes. I am more than familiar with the "branding of friends and loved ones" as traitors, evil, devils, etc.... And I have not forgiven those instigators for attaching these labels to you all yet. Many of them, anyway, have not been through the death-rebirth cycle as we call it and are working towards the same ends as they were thousands of years ago. Calling my loved ones and especially the Morning Star by those slanders... trying to turn the people against the ones that were only trying to help... this led to so much suffering and to so much pain. Still, I cry for the Morning Star when I recall those things, how they abused him and those around him. Still I cry for the children, the innocents that perished from the war with the Grigori largely because of the misinformation and slander that was spread about them and about what they were. Still I myself cannot trust other people and fear treachery regularly. Those events have changed me at my core, and no, I can't forgive the ones responsible for spreading discord and lies to benefit themselves and to profit at the expense of others' lives.

For that reason, is there the sorrow in my heart for this being. *Because* I cannot forgive them and because he was in one way, one of "them," one of those that destroyed families for his own gains. I don't listen to what society has to say about us and I never have. I listen only to my heart. My heart says "You loved and trusted and *entrusted* much to him, and he used that." If he cares to, if he is able to, if he is no longer working towards his own gain and against those that would place everything they love in his trust, he must explain that. he must explain what he did, or apologize at the least.

All I can try to understand is what I experienced. And I don't remember who or what exactly he is yet, but at the thought of him my heart is screaming in sorrow. That is not a feeling that one gets from being lied to by the authorities.
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PostSubject: Re: Rahman, Mesopotamian, Zoroastrianism   Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:00 pm

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I brought up something that's been becoming more of a ... thing. There are all these links coming up between me and this "Mesopotamian deity" called Astarte.

You know....

When I was a little kid, there were a few things that I knew for sure. Like I knew there was a "God" and that God wasn't only male, It was male and female. I knew I had lived countless other lives and that I had been both an old woman and a young girl before in other times. I knew that I could make things happen if I wanted them to, that I could speak to people mind to mind, and that I was supposed to be able to see ghosts and spirits (though strangely, I never did).

I knew that there were people out there, waiting for me to meet them; that it was imperative I meet them, to save them. I knew that there were about 12 or so people that I *had* to meet, no matter what, but if possible, that I had to rise up and save millions of people instead of only these 12. barring disaster, or lack of whatever, I *had* to meet these 12 or so people.

As I got older, I would pray often... and I would have "conversations" with God. We would talk silently, in my mind, and then I would "cut the connection" and go to bed. When I was in bed some nights, this strange phenomena would occur to me that just felt like currents of energy raging through my body for 40 minutes or more. It didn't hurt, or feel good, it just felt very... energizing. I would thrash under my covers until it was over, and then, exhausted, fall asleep. I always called this being "taken by the goddess."

When I was about 13 or so, I started feeling this connection to other people around the world... not the people that I had to meet, but other girls and young women, like me... each full of power and full of mission and each being delegated over by certain forces. I think there are about 7 of us, scattered around the globe in such a way that it was unlikely we would ever meet at the time. Around the time that I was 15, I started feeling like I was going to be impregnated with the Messiah soon, and started worrying because I couldn't get pregnant, not even for the sake of something like that, because I had to finish school. so I prayed to the powers that delegated over us to give the task to one of the others... I felt like it was something that all of us could do, but for whatever reason they were considering me as the best option. I didn't get pregnant.

Now, I'm starting to feel the connection to those women again, and to feel that (perhaps) it wasn't a literal impregnation that was at issue, but a figurative one. I met with someone tonight, in spirit, a woman with a red jewel in her head, and she talked about who I am. Among other things, I learned that I hold some sort of divine feminine energy within me, and soon the time will arrive when I have to "birth it" into the world. She also showed me that when i do, the others will too, we're all being groomed the same way to the same end.

......................

I've had flashes of memory of following the Shadow around in other times... In one, someone, that I think was Az actually, turned around and called me what sounded like "Ashtar." Then, after that, I had two other brief visions of seeing a Shadow, and the Shadow talking to me and calling me Ashtar. In short, I think that was one of my names, or rather, Astarte was one of my names. Madb (Maeve) in the West, Hina in the East, and Astarte in the cursed land of which I will no longer speak.

You know... since last night, I've been feeling myself calling out to all the Fallen, like there is a light in my heart and I'm bidding all the lights/fire in the hearts and souls of the Fallen around the world to relight and to find me. And sometimes, especially since just before Samhuin, I feel that if I sing, just the right songs, the Shadow will be drawn to me.

I'm scared of myself, don't get me wrong. Earlier this year, there was an episode where some great magick seemed to be circling the world (not mine by any means) and I got some... visitations. One of the was the Christ =| and one of them was Mary Magdalene =||| And the Christ walked up to me and gave me a hug, and bid me to remember who I am... and I felt myself as this... well. ....As this... greater goddess aspect. And I knew too much and saw too much and felt too much and I shut down.

But now, again, everyone everywhere is bidding me to remember who I am and.... I'm scared. I remember, I think, my names... why I was born, my purpose. I know why the goddesses come to me, why they call me "sister." I know why I feel burdened with a task I must complete. I know why I feel that I have to lead, and comfort and help and heal and fight and.... I'm scared. My mind has been in near constant splitting pain for the past two days, and I spent all of today asleep, trying to escape it.
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PostSubject: Re: Rahman, Mesopotamian, Zoroastrianism   Mon Dec 13, 2010 2:19 pm

Don't ever fear it or her have faith in yours bonds to the love. I know that to be bond is harsh but if fact it can go both both ways it is our weakness as well as our strength that binds us to one another. Like Gravity it's a bond that as of yet other than a space ship or a controlled atmosphere that we cannot live without. It's just there and we accept it day to day! Allow the Goddess to flow to fruition, we have sacrificed so much time and energy together as a whole for you not to!

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PostSubject: Re: Rahman, Mesopotamian, Zoroastrianism   Mon Dec 13, 2010 2:45 pm

Thanks. I was hoping you'd say that =) ....

Trying.

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PostSubject: Re: Rahman, Mesopotamian, Zoroastrianism   Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:08 pm

You can't fight the inevitable. Well you can but it doesn't work.

Let it happen. You know when something is dangerus, when it threatens you. Only then should you fight. Otherwise accept the change with opne heart and mind and you will grow to understand as you go along. We're all groping in th dark
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PostSubject: Re: Rahman, Mesopotamian, Zoroastrianism   Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:15 pm

Huh... Well that's kind of freaky.... I say that because I've had a few very similar experiences when I was younger, and recent events have drawn me back to look at that period of time. Not saying it means anything as I don't know what's going on with me right now.. but..., it's interesting.
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PostSubject: Re: Rahman, Mesopotamian, Zoroastrianism   Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:15 pm

The Gods are returning, the old archetypes are coming back into the world, and they are again picking up the mantle and the names of who they were and who they are. Ish herself first made me aware of this many, many years ago, and then later it was clearly shown to a group of us in a shared vision. The rebirth of Hero's is upon us and the World needs them.... needs us.

Run and hide, or stand and accept, the outcome will be the same, we cannot escape who we are.

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PostSubject: Re: Rahman, Mesopotamian, Zoroastrianism   Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:19 pm

It's freaky all right and exasperating too. If you're not prepared you could... well get lost in all the whys and wherefores. We all experience what we call "A time and a place for everything" For me it took 60 odd some years to just come to the conclusion that everything was in fact all right and that I was being protected and guided even when going through some of the most roughest periods of my life! Like you I wanted it all now and whatever that entailed but the fates are fickle and blind to our feelings and emotions. Some die and never ever see their dreams come true so I would prefer to consider you one of the best to be here at this time and at this place in history. A lot is yet to unfold so fear not you are definitely not alone on this one.

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PostSubject: Re: Rahman, Mesopotamian, Zoroastrianism   Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:50 am

Balance Light and Dark - Join Forces
Strike a balance between the two
Sacrifice is necessary to prevent destruction
Heal Mother Earth/Save mankind

We are the catalysts
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PostSubject: Re: Rahman, Mesopotamian, Zoroastrianism   Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:29 am

Do you remember at all when those visitations happened, Dream's? I couldn't find the rather enraged religious blog I remember writing that day, but sometime in the first half of this year, I got a visit from Christ, too. I've always felt a deep affinity for Mary Magdalene, so that's awesome you got to meet her.

I really hope that headache goes away for you. Some intense healing sorts of things happened for me early this morning, finishing up literally the moment before my alarm, so big things are definitely in the air.

What you said was grand, and didn't surprise me at all.
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PostSubject: Re: Rahman, Mesopotamian, Zoroastrianism   Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:36 am

Yup. The evening of April 10, 2010 o_o... I saved the messages that I wrote about it the next day. I remember you telling me about an interaction with the Christ... not sure if that's the same event you're talking about here....

I was just thinking about that poem of yours the other day, Gypsy. Especially the last line. I think we are.

Az, and Ish, thanks too.... It just means a lot not to feel alone or like no one else is one the same page but me.... I get scared of accepting this role, this identity and having it hurt me more than help me. At the least, if you all are there to support me, I feel like I can press forward, damn the consequences, or the changes, or the outcome......

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I say that because I've had a few very similar experiences when I was younger, and recent events have drawn me back to look at that period of time.

I don't believe in coincidences. =)

If you would like to "compare notes" over PM, you can message me. Perhaps the timing of my coming out with this and your experiences now are related... perhaps not. Either way, I don't believe in coincidences anymore.


I feel better today... the pain has subsided. I feel like you all have helped me.
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PostSubject: Re: Rahman, Mesopotamian, Zoroastrianism   Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:54 pm

Better us than nothing .... Right ????

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PostSubject: Re: Rahman, Mesopotamian, Zoroastrianism   Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:02 pm

Without a doubt. More than anything right now, the support of all you guys means the world to me. Really.

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PostSubject: Re: Rahman, Mesopotamian, Zoroastrianism   Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:28 pm

As far as my connection with the Christ look to the name Cornelius. I was a Centurion in those days working for Herod's court. Might be interesting to say the least.

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PostSubject: Re: Rahman, Mesopotamian, Zoroastrianism   Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:05 am

Dream'sEnd wrote:


"Rahman (Arabic: رحمن, Raḥmān) is an Arabic male name. It is the elative of Raḥim, based on the triconsonantal root R-Ḥ-M. In Islam, the name ar-Raḥmān, meaning "The Beneficent, The Most Merciful in Essence, The Compassionate, The Most Gracious" is considered most special of the Names of God in Islam. Rahman can be short for Abdur Rahman "servant of al-Rahman", i.e. "servant of God". With nisba, the name becomes Rahmani and is used as a surname." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahman_%28name%29)

There are two parts to this that stand out to me. One being that ar-Rahman is said to be a "name of God" and this being, this Rahman does strike me as someone that falsely convinced others somehow that he was god.

The other being the title itself, "ar-Rahman." Speaking it out, I can't help but think it's related to "Ahriman."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahriman

Reading all this simply makes me feel deeply, deeply sad. Kind of regretful. As if something bad happened that I didn't know would happen but I partially blame myself for not stopping it. As if someone I loved was lost, as well as the victims of his treachery. I most of all just... don't want to read it, any of it. It feels like my heart will break from sadness.

Thoughts are welcome.

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I am attempting to determine what part-or maybe whole of this-saddens you? I think I might be able to fill in a few gaps that the Wikis don't mention. Some of it has to do with perception then, vs the perception most have now, regarding time and space. The present ideas, being based on concepts that weren't so neatly (nearly) formed when Ohrmazd and Ahriman were conceptualized. Ahriman was very much seen as necessary, and offerings were made to him.

This is closely associated with my own belief system, and the experiences I've had as being djinn. It's also intimately related to the concept of daemons not necessarily being evil, just like djinn can go either way, depending on circumstances.
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PostSubject: Re: Rahman, Mesopotamian, Zoroastrianism   Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:41 pm

I'd be grateful to have the gaps filled in. It's not that any part of the reading itself saddened me so much as that it served as a "trigger" for flashes of scenes and memories from other places. Whenever I read those passages from when I posted this to still now, I see scenes of fighting and betrayal in my mind and feel the emotions that the "myself" from then was feeling at that time and then afterwards. If that makes sense.

Triggers, you may have experienced or not, I'm not really sure... it's just when you come across something... could be perfectly innocuous like someone touching you in a particular spot at a certain time or something blatantly significant like being in a former temple... that unlocks a door of some kind in your heart and allows memories and feelings and images that you may have locked away to rush forth into your conscious. So the passages for me were and still are just triggers.

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PostSubject: Re: Rahman, Mesopotamian, Zoroastrianism   Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:54 pm

How deeply involved in the linguistics and religious aspects as written, do you want to go? In college, I took courses on Islam, and also majored in Portuguese history (which has a very large Muslim influence due to the fighting in Africa). According to Islam, ar-Rahman created man and the djinn, hence it's relationship to my own Kin kind.

I do have triggers, and they're something I want to put on my website, now that I am back in the swing of things. At one point, I spoke to Az about having a djinn section, and that info will overlap some of what you're talking about here. Unfortunately, I don't seem to have triggers that are like those you are experiencing in this context. Since djinn can go either direction on the 'good' v 'bad' spectrum, it is possible some of us were Shadow adversaries and/or allies. If you haven't found it already, I recommend reading the 55th sura of the Qur'an. The Shadows are not mentioned in it, but man and the djinn are, so it could help flesh out some details about the written record I have about djinn. We are djinn. (The expression itself being a trigger-a more collective consciousness when it is required). It's something I inherited with the name I have in this form-Debra (Hebrew for honeybee).
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PostSubject: Re: Rahman, Mesopotamian, Zoroastrianism   Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:28 pm

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How deeply involved in the linguistics and religious aspects as written, do you want to go?

Not too far, to be honest. I'm interested in memories and intuition you may have, however. For example, I know next to nothing about the life of a djinn as you feel/recall it. How is it related to the entities being written about? Do you have recollections of ar-Rahman, et al?
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PostSubject: Re: Rahman, Mesopotamian, Zoroastrianism   Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:40 pm

I'm not sure if there is a reductionist way of going about this, but I'll try. I think it's important to remember here that many of the subjects in this thread go by different names for the same concepts.

For instance, Astarte/Ashtoreth is historically the same deity, but Asherah is not. Yet, they share some of the same attributes, ones that also are attributed to the biblical Mary (mother of Jesus). The dove, the star, the idea of being Queen of Heaven. In late Judaic mythos, Astarte was a female demon of lust. The same basic thing happened to Lilith, Adam's second wife (1st unnamed, Eve was 3rd). For me, as djinn, this all rings true, except the part about being a demon. As a human, I began speaking to the form most would call Mary, but that name never really felt like a trigger. From what I can tell, djinn language encompasses many more As, Ss, Hs, and Ts, such as your name does. There is almost a lisping or snakelike quality to it (don't laugh-but parcel tongue in HP is more a trigger for me than most things I get from human culture).

I think there is a tendency in Western culture, to believe that because things sprang from places in the Middle East, it means they're all much the same. It's true that many of them share concepts, but they often have their own reasons for being part of a context. Zoroastrianism gives us Wise Lord, or Ahura Mazdah, who is similar to the Christian model of God. He made the good gods Amesha Spentas, and the bad ones, daevas (demons). In these two groups, there were principle spirits (one each). Zoroastrians were encouraged to follow the good spirit (not Ahura Mazdah himself), but how could bad things come from a good spirit? Their Wise Lord was ambivalent, but not as much as Zurvan, an Indo-Persian god that was the model for Ahura Mazdah. Both names strike a cord for me, as djinn kin.

(Going home from work, so will need to pick up from here.)
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