Icebreaker Q - Cosmology

So, share what you think the universe is

God? Goddess? Many gods and goddesses? An ambiguous Source/Divine presence? Nothing?

Are humans older than we have in recorded history? Have aliens visited? Other races? What races all live on the Earth or have do you think? How did the Shadow coexist with humanity? Is there a Heaven? Hell? Is there an afterlife? Reincarnation?

If you could share one thing from your experience - in meditation, reading, or something you've wondered about - that you think the forum should know or think about, what would it be? Is there an Enemy? What or who is it? Have you encountered it? What was your experience with it/them in this or other lives?

Mahalos!

Ashtart wrote:

So, share what you think the universe is

God? Goddess? Many gods and goddesses? An ambiguous Source/Divine presence? Nothing?

Are humans older than we have in recorded history? Have aliens visited? Other races? What races all live on the Earth or have do you think? How did the Shadow coexist with humanity? Is there a Heaven? Hell? Is there an afterlife? Reincarnation?

If you could share one thing from your experience - in meditation, reading, or something you've wondered about - that you think the forum should know or think about, what would it be? Is there an Enemy? What or who is it? Have you encountered it? What was your experience with it/them in this or other lives?

Mahalos!

I believe that the universe is everything. That for me includes the Egyptian Gods and Goddesses.

Humans may well be older than we know of at this point, we're still discovering more each day :3 I'm not so sure about aliens visiting purely because of the lack of solid evidence but it could've happened. I know that Cherry and Fibreya lived on Earth (Succubus and Nephil) alongside humans though that wasn't in present day. I guess they managed to live alongside humans because they didn't run about screaming what they were XD I do believe there is a Heaven and Hell but I don't believe I'm going to go there because I'm not Christian. Princess is Roman Catholic. In my eyes all faiths are real to the people who believe in them, and that they aren't any less real because you don't believe in them. An afterlife for me would be the Underworld (ooooh) or failing to exist because my soul would be eaten (aaaah). Reincarnation is a choice in my faith, so I also believe in it.

I don't think there is a specific enemy. Maybe I'm too much of a hippy, or maybe it's my Angel of Joy side coming out, but I can't sit here and tell anyone who or what the enemy is. Someone's enemy is another person's hero after all.

So many questions

~Capsha

I personally agree with Capsha. The universe is everything that is known and unknown. I'm positive there is so much more to this world, we just don't have the technology to reach it. As for the not so tangible universe, there has to be so much that it is practically infinite. .

I don't necessarily believe in a religion. I feel that, whenever I die, I'll end up in the cross between the worlds. A place to maybe take time to understand everything you learned in whatever life you were just in and then, from there, you decide what to do next! Maybe return to your original world or even a world of your preference. As for gods or goddesses? I would also have to agree with Capsha and say that any one being that is believed in has the potential to exist. ^_^ Same with the places you go afterwards like Heaven or Hell. Those all exist because there are people that believe in them still. There is actually a poem I found a while back that shares somewhat of the same sentiments. It would just make sense. I don't remember the name of the poem, but when I do, I'll just post it below later.

I'm sure we existed longer than what we can find. I mean, our means of learning about our past is not exactly perfect. Mind you, we've made leaps and bounds, but I'm positive there is plenty to still be discovered about the origins of humans. As for aliens and things like that, I believe it is possible, but we can't all know everything that goes on in our universe. It is like secrets between friends. You think there may be something there, but without any proof, you don't know. . It is completely possible though.

I don't particularly believe there is an enemy. I never really picture anyone as an enemy. I only have as many enemies as the people that threaten the ones I care for. . But that is just the inner guardian of me. Other than that, I never really see anyone as an enemy.

Here's hope to add to this thread. ^_^

Heh, thanks for answering I didn't really mean to write so many questions but it was interesting to read your answers.

Ne'ander wrote:

I don't necessarily believe in a religion. I feel that, whenever I die, I'll end up in the cross between the worlds. A place to maybe take time to understand everything you learned in whatever life you were just in and then, from there, you decide what to do next! Maybe return to your original world or even a world of your preference.

Thanks for sharing . So, I guess that means that for you whatever world we end up in was our choice?

Essentially, yes! ^_^. I mean, it makes sense. If you think of the fact that a lot of people come here to live as humans because it helps us grow spiritually in a short time, then it makes sense. Personally though, I don't have any proof other than a memory here and there that other worlds exist, but I'd like to think that there are as many worlds as there are dreams. If some of our memories even coincide with one another, there is bound to be another place out there that we have been. So it just makes sense to me.

My ideas are kind of weird, but i'll try!

My current beliefs are that everything is imbued with a soul of some sort, be it a protoplasmic, quasi-sapient bundle of energy residing in an old stone or even vibrant, young life living in the insects and smaller plants. i think i remember dying once, and when i did, it was sort of like sinking into a warm, welcoming bath of light. i'm about to post something (a wall-o'-text, actually >..<;; sorry guys!) in another thread that goes into deeper detail on my experience with the afterlife.

As for Gods and Goddesses, i believe that the energy flowing through our world is touched by the physical realm, and shifts accordingly (elementally) to attune itself to its environment; Water, Earth, Air, Fire, Life, and Shadow. i also believe each of these has a sort of "embodying spirit", basically a god or goddess, but whatevs.

yes to aliens, maybe to the history... and.... wow XD dunno what else to say!

I think the Universe is energy: merging, flowing, vibrating, coalescing and dissappating. Beings are concentrations of energy; nodes with greater or lesser desire to move the energies around them. We all move it anyway, in the very process of life and existence, but beings like gods and goddesses move vast amounts of it, consciously. So do volcanoes, earthquakes, storms, the seasons, war, etc. Energy is neither created or destroyed, but redirected, constantly. The same goes for consciousness.

So much of history as we know it is incomplete, misled, or written to fit a narrow margin of belief. I've heard that the oral histories of the Aborigines of Austrailia date back something like 40,000 years by our calendar, and that wasn't even the beginning of their culture. I think there is far more that we don't know than what we do know, and that is the natural state of existence for a human being. That's why both belief and questioning so important, but one won't get you very far without the other.

It confuses me, after delving deeply into what appears to be a vast, colorful series of many, many past lives, why I seem to be simultaneously bored as hell with living, and unable to tear myself away. If I'm right about my previous existence, I was born into this one less than a month after he committed suicide - a perfect illustration of the contradiction that is me. If there is an afterlife, apparently I want nothing to do with it. There are many gaps in the chronology that has pieced itself together for me, and I find past life recall most interesting and helpful for rooting out the origins of longstanding habits I want to change, so that's the most I know about the other side. Although, I was friends with a ghost once, who came back as a spirit after I participated in a ceremony that helped him move on. He seems to travel the same channels I do during meditation or dreamwork, but could just as easily move on levels that I couldn't imagine. Personally, I think heaven and hell both are concepts based on stories, and while those stories could be based on distant memories, no place or person could exist in a state of absolutely pure grace or evil for even a moment, much less eternity.

Things that make sense to me on deep fundamental levels don't always jive with what makes sense to others, even when we seem to be coming from the same place with other, similar matters. Life doesn't make sense, but it does, and I think we do have the capacity to understand it all, but that understanding would overwhelm us, unless we ourselves are infinite when we come to this understanding. Therefore, I've stopped expecting to be able to adequately express anything in words.

Ashtart wrote:

So, share what you think the universe is  

God?  Goddess?  Many gods and goddesses?  An ambiguous Source/Divine presence?  Nothing?  

Are humans older than we have in recorded history?  Have aliens visited?  Other races?  What races all live on the Earth or have do you think?  How did the Shadow coexist with humanity?  Is there a Heaven?  Hell?  Is there an afterlife?  Reincarnation?  

If you could share one thing from your experience - in meditation, reading, or something you've wondered about - that you think the forum should know or think about, what would it be?  Is there an Enemy?  What or who is it?  Have you encountered it?  What was your experience with it/them in this or other lives?  

Mahalos!

1. I believe that there is a God
2. Humans probably are older than we have recorded. How old is up for debate.
3. The possibility that aliens have visited is there. Sounds plausible to me.
4. There could've been other races. Might even be some around us now. Perhaps they came to keep tabs on us (humanity in general)?
5. I don't have enough of my memories to answer this question  
6. I believe there to be a Heaven, and a Hell (not in a typical sense though).
7. I believe that there is definitely an afterlife. I find it difficult to believe otherwise.
8. I believe in reincarnation as another option when one dies and reaches the afterlife.

If there's one thing I can share from my experience as a psion in this life, it'd probably be that I , and others, have sensed something big coming for a while now. I'm sure most of you have too, but, ya know. It's moderately interesting.

There are a lot of posts about that feeling and people's thoughts about what it might be - a war, a shift in perspective, a rent in the veil.

Do you have any feelings about what you think that 'big thing' might be... no matter how fragmented and off line.

Ishtahar wrote:

There are a lot of posts about that feeling and people's thoughts about what it might be - a war, a shift in perspective, a rent in the veil.

Do you have any feelings about what you think that 'big thing' might be... no matter how fragmented and off line.

Funny you mention the Veil. The majority of my preparations have been for a "Veilfall", so to speak. The only aspect of Veilfall I had focused on, at the time, was what it would do to psionic abilities and extrasensory perception, being a psion and whatnot. I can assume that a big event will accompany it, perhaps a war, collapse of a government, I dunno. I'd have to look at more aspects that I have, unfortunately, neglected these past months  . Hell, it could even be all of the above!  

Things will be very different from what I can comprehend.

I am feeling huge shifts in the energies that surround me. Now I think of it; it's been for years and it's making me very nervous and anxious. If I think about it too much I feel overwhelming fear. I suppose I need to face the fear and push through it but I have a feeling the time isn't right just yet. I'm simply not strong enough.

Wishglow,  

Come Hel or High Water I know that Shem is, always was, always has and always will be with you no matter what!

Ousa

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