ARCHIVE: Balancers, what I remember about us

By Seraphyna Jul 19 2008 -

Just thought I’d post my memories of balancers etc so here it is:

What are balancers? They are beings whose task it is to maintain as much of a balance as possible between order and chaos (good and evil if you must). They are everything and nothing and whatever they decide they are. They tend to be polymorphic. Other forms were mainly used to appear to other beings in a physical sense to influence them one way or another.

Balance was most often achieved by directly going to whichever plane/realm/whatever you wanna call it, and appearing to choice people to thereby influence them in the hope that they would eventually come to produce a desired result. It’s kind of like how people here might see an angel or the Virgin Mary and then become almost a “holy person”, lending guidance to others, leading them toward order. Or might see a “satanic” apparition and lead people toward chaos.

They basically have an innate knowledge of what was balance, so the best answer I can give is that they are linked directly to the universal consciousness and thus know what is in balance and what is not. They are servants of the universe, not of a deity or some more specific being. In the way of influencing people/beings, advice was all it took for some people, apparition was all it took for others, and for some, death was necessary. It wasn’t about getting beings to “worship” anything or anyone, just to influence key people enough to then promote order or disorder…whichever was needed at the time.

I’m not sure how many of them exist…though 13 sounds like the correct number. They were created at the beginning of Time…once energy became ordered enough to form the universe, life, souls. They also don’t have the same forms, other than winged humanoid (they all have a form like that. When "physical", they inhabited a realm much like earth in its lush, more jungle like stage. Trees, waterfalls, you get the picture.) Otherwise, they are rather formless, existing where they desired much like celestial ghosts.

They were also forbidden to love, for love destroys neutrality. Thus, they were betrothed to other beings, not necessarily other balancers.

Where did they reside? Well in the physical sense in the silver city atop the waterfall. The area around the city resembled something like a lush forest and the city had the river running through it that became a waterfall at the city’s edge atop the cliffs.

If anyone has further questions, feel free to ask.


By Universal Traveler Jul 20 2008 -

Wow, this is very interesting...
I have a thing with balance, have had that all my life... for me personally the key to life is BALANCE.
What I recognize is that feeling I sense when reading your post.
Am I correct when I say that you walk like the grey zone in life?
For me it is like I feel attracted to light and darkness, they are both an essential part of my life.
There is no light without darkness and visa versa.
I know that my essence is very light.
It is kind of difficult because it makes you feel not accepted really for the darkside things you are too white and the light side things you are too dark.
If you know what I mean...
But that is just the way it is for me and I am trying to find a balance between the two of them.
What you said about love is new to me.
I will think about this one though as it is interesting...
Love is very essential for growth and the essence of all that is but you made an interesting point.
Would you care to go deeper into this subject? As in why it would disturb being neutral?

love and blessings

Universal Traveler


By Seraphyna Jul 20 2008 -

I am in a rather grey zone in life here as well, though I occasionally drift a smidge to the "dark side"...I blame hormones wink.gif I've been told that my energy is like fire...big and bright and...in definite excess. No wonder one of my friends is a psi vamp.

Why do I say love disrupts neutrality? Basically because when you're in love...that kind of existance stops when you're not with the other being kind of love...they become what you care most about. You would protect them over anything else. If it came down to having to kill them, you couldn't do it even if it means you'd effectively destroy everything you were created for. Love is essential for growth if you're human, but is that true of every being? Is love of anything but what you are, what you do, and who made you not enough? It supposedly should be, but jury's out on that one. I guess it depends on the being.


By Universal Traveler Jul 20 2008 -

QUOTE (Seraphyna @ Jul 20 2008, 04:21 PM)
"I am in a rather grey zone in life here as well, though I occasionally drift a smidge to the "dark side"...I blame hormones wink.gif I've been told that my energy is like fire...big and bright and...in definite excess. No wonder one of my friends is a psi vamp."


LOL, you blame the hormones huh! I do too, ahem! Just like you I am quite firy myself and the more you try to control it the more it takes control of you (in my case anyway) so I just sat this one out today... more watery now...
But yes, I know very well what you mean here...;-)


By Universal Traveler Jul 20 2008 -

QUOTE (Seraphyna @ Jul 20 2008, 04:21 PM)
"Love is essential for growth if you're human, but is that true of every being?"

Well good question ...
but as we are here we are in a human vessel.
Spiritual beings having a human experience.
Whatever being we may be we are under the influence of the rules and ways of this reality, the human one, that much I know and experience on a daily basis.
And love is very important here, the unconditional kind I am referring to.
The kind that makes no distinctions and loves no matter what, even under the worst circumstances perhaps dealing with your worst nightmare or enemy.


By Ishtahar Jul 21 2008 -

I have to agree.

I have done too much, suffered too much, sacrificed too much, experienced too much, rejoiced too much in the name of love to be anything other than its biggest fan and most ardent proponent

Ish wub.gif wub.gif


By Seraphyna Jul 22 2008 -

It is mainly our human biology that allows us to love as we do. Energy beings have no biology, so there is no minor hormonal love for us...only the "deep" kind...hence the issue.


By Faddewr Jul 25 2008 -

I dunno if me/Four Eyes would be a Balancer in terms of keeping the peace.

But we both have a natural refusal to pick sides.


By Ellysium Aug 3 2008 -

Very interesting *smiles*

I do not know that I am a Balancer, but there are only 13 of you anyway, so it would be unlikely tongue.gif In fact, I'm pretty sure I'm not. It's just that some of the things you said remind me of myself.

I have vague memories of being able to change forms in order to better interact with whatever creature or civilization I was talking to. I think this was mainly for diplomacy reasons, not sure. I think this also has to do with a type of universal council I was a member of. This council had members from all or most of the sentient races, and we tried to keep peace. It may just have been the council for a galaxy or something smaller, now that I'm thinking of it.. *shrug* And to be completely honest I'm not entirely sure if that's my memory or that of the dragon spirit that was with me for a while... *is a bit confused*

"We are everything and nothing and whatever we decide we are."
I feel that definitely applies to me.

I also completely understand the sentiment of keeping balance between chaos and order. Both are needed for progression, and too much of either can stunt growth.

I also like that you are servants of and tapped into the Universal Consciousness, instead of serving any one deity. I can really relate to that a lot. I, myself, also feel more connected to the universe and its consciousness than to any one religious path or deity.

Also, I once had a vision where Maeve, the Queen of the Fae (who are apparently somehow related to starkin and celestials, or something like that) pointed at me and said "Arohim."
I had the sense that the Arohim are somewhat like celestial/angelic/universal type beings. There are a small number of them, just as there are a small number of Balancers. And I think each of the Arohim represented, or somehow was, a different element or state, and they are paired with their opposites. For example, I identify with light (though currently I feel a bit more earthy...) and I was/am paired with the Arohim that identifies as dark. Just as chaos was paired with order, water with fire, air with earth, and so on. Unfortunately, my feelings about this are pretty vague, and I'm not sure where they fit in with me and the rest of what I remember so far, so I am not entirely sure about all of what I just said. It was just the feeling I had at the time.


By Raven Wight Dec 20 2008 -

I believe I know the city you spoke of, and at the base of the waterfall I recall a fjord into a small open lake, which tapers off into a stream through a thick forest, follow the stream long enough and you will find the gates, a stone cairn if I'm not mistaken, usable only by some, the stream passes through this, with stone cobbles for walkways across. sometimes an altar at the centre, though I cannot recall its purpose beyond sacrifice. the stone arched gateways on all sides lead to different worlds. In the city there is a small but tall palace like structure, I believe it was obsidian black, but it may have been silver, that part is hazy, there is also a field leading off to the right of the river as it runs toward the cliffs edge. In the centre of town I believe you will find I great pyre of sorts, a well spring of fire from which the river comes. as fire comes from water in the balance, it is not merely fire though, but earth, air and water as well. there is some greater significance to it, though I do not recall, I only remember dancing with the spirits there, and in the field I mentioned. I do hope this helps, I had all but forgotten the memory untill I read description. if it is the same city you are speaking of, then I would ask what more you know of this, and how fares the council? bear in mind that these memories are viewed only through a filter, since it has been very long and in a different form, since I have been.


By Dreamsend Dec 20 2008 -

It is lovely to think of fire as coming from water. I would very much like to see and feel that sort of thing sometime.

Is it possible to travel there still, or is it no longer around?

The gateways to other worlds sound familiar... and strange. How many places was it connected to?

-- Angela


By Raven Wight Dec 21 2008 -

The gateways as I remember travelled to most, if not all worlds, including this one. though most of them have since been buried, or crumbled to ruin, later generations have made replicas of them. and as to your other question, yes I have the feeling the world I speak of is still around, at least I hope so. Since I would very much like to return someday. and the fire is truly magnificent, it only appears as a flame, it is in truth so much more, it is the essence of balance, the axiom of extremes.


By Seraphyna Dec 22 2008 -

I don't recall the fire from water bit. In all honesty it isn't water proper like here on earth. The place is entirely non-physical, though it appears as such. The energy of it is pretty condensed. Thus it will exist until the Creator/All/Source/etc. snuffs it out of existance...something I doubt will ever happen.

All the buildings as I remember them are silver. I don't recall this council you speak of, but I had no dealings with people other than the beings we worked with and the All/Source/Creator Hirself.

Since my kind reside there, there's a way to access every plane in existance, you just have to know how and thus have the ability to do so.


By Raven Wight Dec 25 2008 -

Out of curiosity Seraphyna, do you recall phasing at all? if it doesn't sound familiar it may just be the limitations of this language. I have a distinct memory of being significantly less ... corporeal in the place we speak of. not to say that bodies weren't solid, simply more transient in nature. The Phasing I refer to has to do with the shifting/acceleration of particles in the body at a subatomic level in order to occupy the same space/time as another thing (be it air, stone, another being) the reason I ask is because the more I think about the memories I have of this place, the stranger I feel about not being able to phase. I'm likely not explaining it right, most things on this plane operate by displacing the matter around them as they move. I feel however as if this should not be the case. I seem to remember shifting the particles in my body to occupy the existing energy/matter and thus taking form via the present medium. if this sounds completely foreign to you don't worry about it, but if you or anyone else has any idea of what I'm speaking of, then please tell me what you remember of it.


By Seraphyna Dec 26 2008 -

I never put a title to it because, to me, it's just how energetic beings function. My form was *not* physical, but pure energy. Yes, that energy could be condensed to appear physical and even function as physical beings do...but I still was not physical. Thinking about it in physics terms makes my brain hurt. Traveling to whatever plane necessary means appearing as beings in that plane do (some of the time, depending on the situation), so yes, tweaking your form (in this case a form that is pure energy) was just an automatic thing, much like breathing.


By Riley Dec 28 2008 -

"Yin yang is perfect for example of chaos an order. Things in chaos will be so, but order will keep it together. Things in order will be so, but chaos will keep it together. If either have not one of the other, corruption takes place and it destroys itself. Nothing is in perfect balance, but to stay one you need some of the other" - Me

That's my little thing on balance.

What your saying about Balance angels sounds like my Energy Harmony. The energy is neither good nor bad, it will sometimes do things of chaos, other times of order; you never know which it will do.

Edit: That's funny, after talking about that my heart chakra begins to expand and my solar plexus feels very warm.


By Raven Wight Jan 1 2009 -

I'm sure I don't need to tell you to be careful with that harmony technique, it's immensely dangerous, with all of the awakenings since the beginning of the new age, a short time ago, it has become clear that a lot of beings with the power to use it have re-imerged in this world. the pervading sense of doom that severeal of my students have expressed is a clear sign that it is being used to some great degree it parts of the world. always remember, harmony has the power to create or destroy a world, but the echo it leaves will never cease.


By Riley Jan 1 2009 -

Yes I know about the dangers. So far it's only caused little trouble, nothing too big, so I've so far been well under control (but we know how things can turn out >_>).


By Seraphyna Jan 11 2009 -

Balancers are beings whose task it is to maintain as much of a balance as possible between order and chaos across all planes/realms/etc. in the multiverse. They are described as everything and nothing and whatever they decide we are and they we tend to be polymorphic. My theory on their forms is that they have one dominant form for each element including light and dark/shadow. Their forms are mainly used to appear to other beings in a physical sense to influence them one way or another. While they are all polymorphic energy beings, the core “type” they identify with may or may not be the same. How they appear to the physical planes is by condensing their energy to appear physical, while in actuality they are not.

Balance was most often achieved by directly going to a plane/realm/etc., and appearing to choice individuals to thereby influence them in the hope that they would eventually come to produce a desired result. It’s kind of like how people here on earth might see an angel or the Virgin Mary and then become a “holy person,” lending guidance to others, leading them toward order. On the other hand, they might see a “satanic” apparition and lead people toward chaos.

So what do I mean by balance? Balance is not a state of half order half chaos. It is not static, but fluid. Balance is forever shifting and changing. The aim is for neither order nor chaos to become so dominant that it threatens to take over. There must be a good amount of both in order for something to be balanced. There is chaos in order and order in chaos and too much of one is never a good thing. If one were to take over, the plane/realm/etc. would implode and existence would cease to exist. The preservation of existence is their purpose.

They have an innate knowledge of what balance is, so the best answer I can give to “how do you know what needs doing” is that they are linked directly to the universal consciousness and thus know what is in balance and what is not. They are servants of the universe, not of a deity or some more specific being, but the All/Source/Universe Itself. They also aren’t given exact instructions, but instead are directed as to what is out of balance. How they deal with it is up to them.

In the way of influencing individuals, advice was all it took for some people, an apparition was all it took for others, and, for some, direct contact (sometimes even destruction of the individual) was necessary. It was not about getting beings to “worship” anything or anyone, just to influence certain individuals enough to then promote order or disorder…whichever was needed at the time. I don’t mean to say that balance was maintained in every plane/realm/etc. they visit. It isn’t. The goal is not to maintain balance in every single place in the multiverse, but to maintain some kind of equilibrium in the multiverse as a whole. If one realm is total chaos, there is another that is total order to balance it out.

So how do they go about direct contact. They will take a form that we find more relatable, fearsome, etc. whatever suits their needs. They will then appear to the individual in that form and enter conversation if necessary. In more extreme cases, direct possession was required (though this course was avoided as much as possible to preserve free will) and in the most dire situations, the death of an individual may have been called for.

I’m not sure how many of them exist…though 13 strikes me as the correct number. They were created at the beginning of “Time”…once energy became ordered enough to form the universe, life, souls. They also don’t have the same forms, other than winged humanoid (we all have a form like that). They tend to call the Silver City “home,” spending most of their time there in a state of condensed energy, usually to a winged humanoid form. The City is a realm much like earth in its lush, more jungle-like stage. There are trees, waterfalls, dense growth, the City itself sitting atop the largest waterfall with the river running through it. However, it is not a physical place but one of highly condensed energy. It is basically as physical as energy gets without being truly physical like the keyboard I’m typing on. Otherwise, they are rather formless, existing where they desire in what form they desire (or no form at all).

They also do not work alone. While there are only so many Balancers proper, there are individuals across all planes who they work with. Their ambassadors so to speak. Maintaining universal balance is not such an easy task even for versatile beings such as they are. They do have help. That is why you will probably come across individuals in the otherkin community identifying as physical beings who do their work. They are not balancers, but may very well be (and probably are) linked to them.

They were forbidden to love, for love destroys neutrality. Thus, they were betrothed to other beings, not necessarily other balancers. What I mean by love is that all encompassing feeling that someone is your “other half”. The kind of love where you put everything else’s welfare below that one individual. To feel that kind of love is, for a Balancer, counterproductive to their roles. Therefore, all measures are taken to avoid it. They also did not often use a spoken language, but instead were telepathically linked. They could shut the other Balancers out, even to some degree shut out the Source Itself. For communication, however, they could send our thoughts to each other rendering spoken communication irrelevant. They were capable of it however, and it is more of a sing-song energy vibration type of language, definitely not remotely reproducible by human vocal cords. They had no tools, no clothing, no food. As energetic beings they can appear how they want, where they want, wearing what they want, etc. There is no need for the same things that physical beings require.

I have never met an incarnated Balancer (to my knowledge), but they do incarnate as their job takes a toll. They have free will, but their job (what they were created for) does not allow for the same freedoms as most other beings in the multiverse enjoy. Thus, they do get to take the occasional vacation, mostly when one of them clearly burns out.

What about free will you might ask. Look at it this way: Balancer is not only a job title, it is what they are. What they were created for. A human example would be if one was born a lawyer. It would not only be a job title, but a personal descriptor. Lawyer would be what you are as well as what you do. Can they request to change jobs? Yes. Could we request to be “recycled,” to be created as something new? Yes. Would they? Probably not. Balancer is what they are, what they were made for. Doing what they do is not only all they know, but fulfilling one’s purpose gives an individual deep satisfaction and joy. So what I’m really trying to say is they want to do it and in a way have a need to as well. They are not slaves, servants, etc. They are more than willing.

So what kind of “power” does it take to do their job? Well, I describe them as such: look at the multiverse as an infinitely faced diamond. Each facet is a realm/plane. The carbon bonds are the Source/All/etc., the bonds are what make a diamond a diamond. Balancers tend to the molecules of the diamond so it remains a diamond and does not fall apart. They are powerful, I won’t try to play that down. They are more powerful than every other being in the multiverse save the Source/All/etc. They have to be. They require the ability to terminate any being in existence if it is called for, so they must contain vast sources of energy that rival every being save their Creator.

All of this being said, I am aware that it is through a human lens and thus tainted by my experiences, biology, understandings, basically by being human. Something non-physical mimicking the physical is not the same. The City is not atop a waterfall as we humans know them, but the energetic equivalent. If a human being viewed both, they would notice no difference; however, they are not the same.