ARCHIVE: They whisper strange things, "Meaningless phrases" our guides say

By Dreamsend Nov 9 2007 -

Do the phrases "Princess of daisies" or "Queen of lilies," mean anything to anyone here? Just wondering. Does anyone here have "meaningless" phrases that they feel are connected to them?


-- Dreamsend


By Azaz'el Nov 9 2007 -

The two names linked to flowers you mention don't mean anything to me other than the automatic link formed in my mind with Bloddeuwedd. She was a maiden made completely from flowers by Math to be the bride of his foster son Llew Llaw Gyffes. This is a tale from the Mabinogion, a collection of ancient British initiatory tales.

If you want to know more about this tale or even the Mabinogion, I would suggest giving Ishtahar a shout, as she will know more about this than I do.

Az


By Ishtahar Nov 10 2007 -

Az could be right and they are a connection to Blodeuedd and I will tell you the story if you think it might make connections for you, be warned though it is quite a long one.

I have also heard the term Queen of the Lilies used in connection with Mab, queen of the fairies

The Princess of Daisies does not mean anything

(as an aside Lilies are my favourite flower) biggrin.gif


By Azaz'el Nov 16 2007 -

Here's something for you..... it's something that was said many, many years ago, and is something I am so familiar with I had almost forgotten it.

During the awakening of past life memories many years ago to a close friend and fellow Shadow, she was given the prophecy that when the war hit, there would be help to be found from:

"...the three strong and the dragon..."

So does anyone have any idea what this could mean? I have my own thoughts but have not found anything conclusive as of yet. I know it may not yet be the time for this to make sense, but wonder if it has some meaning to any of the other Kin here. Does it mean anything to the Vampyres, to the Elves, to those who have known the Grigori, be you one of the many aspects of Shadow or humanity?

I can say in all honesty that as far as I remember, it means nothing to the Grigori culture.

Az


By Ishtahar Nov 17 2007 -

I believe that it may be

Azaz'el
Dani'el
Semeyaza

and Ishtahar

The dragon is the dragon of the earth, the kundalini, the female energy, the human nature.

The four together make a double triangle and the arms of a cross Az and Dan are the cross bar and the base of the triangle, Shem on one side and Ish on the other make the body of the corss and the two points one towards Shadow and one towards Humanity, one to the masculine, one to the feminine, one to the outer and one to the inner.

And in the centhre where the two arms cross, at the centre of the diamond......?


By Azaz'el Nov 18 2007 -

Well, that certainly makes a lot of sense .... but it raises the question of what will happen if that dynamic is actually created physically and spiritually? There is a the concept within some magical circles that a formation like like is the Triad and the Modron, and it will bring about the Mabon, the Divine Child - the alchemical process of balancing the energies and the soul to bring about equality.

I wonder if it would be possible to bring about ascention in this way without having a physical manifestation of the Source as there once needed to be. Well, I suppose we just need Sem and Dan to awaken and we can find out!!

What do the rest of you think about this message or its interpretation?


Az


By Dreamsend Nov 19 2007 -

The phrase doesn't mean anything to me, except to say that there's a relating concept of Soul Groups (i.e. Redfield's "Secret of Shambala") coming together in these times to attend to specific tasks, in groups of say, threes and sevens.

An associate just introduced me to the concept of a group of vampires that is descended from a "Dragon Council." Dragon here having to do with ancient concepts of the snake and large lizard (Mesopotamian beliefs), and the Annunaki, and somewhere along the way (in the middle ages) the descendant bloodlines formed a society... I don't know much about it, but that could be "Dragon" as a title, in such fashion.

Also, not that it is any way directly relevant, you have reminded me; I've come to believe that I received a vision about meeting you and Ishtahar before finding your website... I commonly do have visions about meeting people and the interactions that will be shared before meeting them - the vision I had fits you (since in my mind you form a "pair") pretty well. There was something about the woman not being "like me" (i.e. human/not) but somewhat (i.e. still aware of magic), and having a bond to someone "not incarnate" (off world), and the man being more "like me" (i.e. not human I guess that could have meant), and that these were the two people I had to find to form a group of three to... do... something.
*shrugs*

-- Angela


By Ishtahar Nov 19 2007 -

That is extremly interesting and I see that your visions and messages are as clear and precise as mine biggrin.gif

I know that we need to learn and grow as we awaken and that, in part, we do this through the pondering and the searching but sometimes, just sometimes it would be nice just to be told something clear and straightforward rolleyes.gif


By Dreamsend Nov 25 2007 -

Tell me about it laugh.gif

I find myself relying on feeling and gut instinct along with intuitive visions for guidance. I wonder if part of the point they're trying to make is whether we should just have more outright faith. I certainly seem to "hear" that more and more as of late...

In any case, I wouldn't mind if a lot of what i saw took way less effort to decipher. ^^


By Ishtahar Nov 27 2007 -

Exactly. It seems as if I spend more time pondering on the meanings of the messages I receive than acting on them.

I have a problem with outright faith. I am too practical, to logical. I need something to make sense, to have basis in fact, even if it is a strange and unusual fact. biggrin.gif

I question too much and accept too little. Maybe that is my role, at least until another, better one comes up


By Ellysium Apr 26 2008 -

Dreamsend, It's funny, when I read the phrases "Princess of Daisies" and "Queen of Lillies"(especially this second one), the thought/notion of Mab/Maev (however it's supposed to be spelled) came to my mind, very subtly. I know a little bit about the Queen of the Fae because one of my friends used to be strongly connected to her. Though I don't believe I have ever heard her referred to as the Queen of the Lillies before. Since the notion was so subtle, I may have forgotten to mention it, or would have doubted it unless others hadn't brought it up. lol

I do have a "meaningless phrase" that I've been meaning to share with you all. I was meditating one day years ago, and in the vision Queen Maeve (interestingly enough, considering the above) came to me. She pointed at me and said "Arohim" and that was it, but it was very powerful. So, I believe that I am an Arohim, I have some inklings as to what this is, but nothing for sure. Felt like it was a type of something, perhaps a type of angel or some other spiritual being.. and... huh, this just brought back a memory of being... a "god" or 'worshiped' or something by a people in a galaxy far away from here, long ago. Perhaps before I started this cycle of lifetimes. *shrugs*
Anyway, does anyone have any insights about the word Arohim? Or does it sound familiar, or anything?

Dream, I'm not sure about this... but I think that when I "met" you here on the forum I felt some sort of subtle connection with you, but I didn't really realize it until just now. I may or may not have something similar with Ishtahar and Azaz'el, I can't be sure yet.


"...the three strong and the dragon..."

This phrase really struck me the first time I read it. Probably just because I'm a dragon, and had just written under another topic (The Duties) about how the dragon Mary had started showing up through me a little bit again (just today actually) and that it felt she came with a sense of purpose and was ready for action, to assist with whatever you all wanted to do, whatever that may entail. (there's more in that other post). But on the second reading of that phrase it didn't mean so much to me. Probably because I'd rather not start suggesting I might be something I'm not tongue.gif Because I really have no idea right now, and I'm not sure if I wanna get caught up in stuff again.... Yet I'm here. And I don't think I found this forum just by chance. Though what the reason may be, I don't know.

And there are probably bigger forces at work than individuals... but... maybe some of it would have to be put into action by people physically present on this world... (got that thought just now).

Ish, I'm kinda curious about your interpretation of the phrase, but I don't really understand the diagram you described. Maybe if I saw it.

"I wonder if it would be possible to bring about ascension in this way without having a physical manifestation of the Source as there once needed to be." I want to say yes, but I'm not really sure why.


By Azaz'el Apr 26 2008 -

I can't say i have come across the name Arohim, but could it have been somthing like Elohim? Maybe the pronounciation was a bit odd or different?

I just wonder as the Elohim has a varied and mixed meaning........ I won't bore you with loads of useless niformarion about it here, but basiclaly it is a general name for the Source but more speciafically it has been used to describe the children of the Source, it's protectors and guides ................ or in other words Angels/ Malakhim/ Shadow.

You have a memory ofbeing 'worshipped' in some way, and initially in the early days, the Shadow were worshipped as Gods by some civilisations, until we made them aware that we weren't.

I could write a lot more on the concept of the Elohim but I won't in cas ethis means nothing to you and bored everyone else!

Az


By Ellysium Apr 28 2008 -

Actually, Az, what you said is really interesting.

The word Elohim has caught my interest before, maybe just because it sounds similar. Never spent much time researching it, except that it referred to the Source. I like the word Malakhim too, for no particular reason.

"Initially in the early days, the Shadow were worshipped as Gods by some civilisations, until we made them aware that we weren't."
That's really interesting. The memory of being worshiped in some sense is definitely an old one. Probably from long before I started having physical lives. And I was definitely not a god.

This makes me want to share another memory with you, though it may be kindof off topic... I remember being completely at one with the Source, no separation. Then one day, so to speak, I... whatever "I" was... decided to create myself. At first I was just a blob of light, floating around and watching things for a very long time. I just got the feeling that I wasn't always of light. Sometimes I was just a concentration of energy, or perhaps even just a notion, a concentration of consciousness? Maybe that makes sense? Then eventually I started taking on more defined forms, usually draconic, I believe... but it could change. And then eventually I decided to start having lifetimes. It's hard to say when in that timeline the memory of being 'worshiped' by other civilizations would have fit.
I also have the feeling that I've been through several lifecycles - being one with the source, separating, having lifetimes, returning to the source, separating again, and so forth.

Semi-random question: do the Shadow tend to take on any form? Are they usually humanoid with wings?

In any case... I'd be interested in learning more about the Elohim, if you'd be interested in sharing smile.gif If you're worried about boring others you can PM me, if you'd like.


By Ishtahar Apr 28 2008 -

Dont worry Ellysium, the prospect of boring people has never held Az back before wink.gif


By Dreamsend May 14 2008 -

Hi, Ellysium, I'm back! I finally got a chance to read your post and this is very interesting. It makes all sorts of sense to me, that you might be "the dragon" in Az's phrase. Not that the phrase might not have other meaning... but I think that just makes complete sense. "The three strong and the dragon..." I do have the feeling that I need to lead, and gather people together. I am weary of the thought, though. I just feel too tired, that if I could only rest, maybe I could do that. I know I have to, I've just been procrastinating. I think I might be able to awaken at anytime, just by taking the time and commitment to doing so. It's so wearying.



I saw, when I first "met" you, a faint blue light around the mental image I have of you (that imagine at times like this, when writing a post in response) and thought "Oh, she's here!...." I have to admit I had the feeling that I had been waiting for you. I have those sorts of thoughts and feelings often enough, so it didn't seem outstanding enough to bring up at the time. But since you mention a similiar thought of a subtle connection, I thought it might serve to mention it now.I did feel a connection with you, a little stronger than "subtle," but only a little when I first met you, I was just waiting for the time to bring it up casually.



I have no idea what I might have to do, or what you have to do, or any of us, but the time is growing ever nearer and the players are aligning. *laughs* just kidding. Mostly. I wouldn't take it too seriously but that does seem to "click" rather nicely. I think it fits.

-- Dreamsend has comments about the other things, but has already said a mouthful, so will take it easy.


By Ellysium May 14 2008 -

smile.gif *hugs*
It's good to see you again.
And a blueish light is a color I often associate with my energy smile.gif
I wonder how we "know" each other.
Also, since we're kindof on the subject of connections and things, I find myself having an interesting sense of fondness for Azaz'el and Ishtahar.
And I feel there may be something with other members on this forum, but I don't know people well enough to say.


By Azaz'el May 28 2009 -

QUOTE (Ishtahar @ Apr 28 2008, 06:59 PM)
"Dont worry Ellysium, the prospect of boring people has never held Az back before wink.gif"

With friends like you, who needs enemies!!! tongue.gif

I may well write a post regarding the Elohim very soon and bore everyone on the planet!

Az


By Ellysium May 28 2008 -

QUOTE (Azaz'el @ May 28 2008, 06:50 AM)

"I may well write a post regarding the Elohim very soon and bore everyone on the planet!"

Yay!


By Dreamsend Jun 6 2008 -

I've been thinking on it:

the connection of that phrase I hear with Maeve and the fae/Sidhe/Gentry (etc) does make a LOT of sense, and seems to fall in quite nicely, liek it was meant to fit. I feel that that is what the phrase is connecting to.... however, realizing that makes me extremely sad, and want to cry *_* Don't know what's up with that. It's kind of like the feeling I get when I succumb to realizing things I've been fighting against knowing... what humans are really like, what the world is really like, what *blank* is really like. It makes me want to cry like I had been holding out for a more optimistic outcome, something idealistic and positive, and finally gave in to "what life is really like" in its shades of greys and colors, and that makes me mourn.

Oh well, I still have no idea what it actually means, I've got a lot of random feelings to go along wtih it now, though happy.gif.


By Ishtahar Jun 7 2008 -

Random can be good. like seeds on the wind sometimes random thoughts and ideas land on fertile ground and take root and grow into beautiful things.


By Dreamsend Jun 13 2009 -

*nods nods*

I just hate not being in control of those winds, those seeds, that growth or fail to grow. I'm a psychic who hates not knowing the future. *LOL* hahaha sorry ;;

They're not really random but I describe them that way because that's kind of how they feel to me. They're just feelings that aren't fully attached to one aspect of myself or another because I have only half-remembered thoughts and memories to accompany them. So I can feel strongly but I can't say "why" and that deeply disturbs me.


By Raven Wight Dec 20 2008 -

QUOTE (Azaz'el @ Nov 16 2007, 02:52 PM)
"Here's something for you..... it's something that was said many, many years ago, and is something I am so familiar with I had almost forgotten it.

During the awakening of past life memories many years ago to a close friend and fellow Shadow, she was given the prophecy that when the war hit, there would be help to be found from:

"...the three strong and the dragon..."

So does anyone have any idea what this could mean? I have my own thoughts but have not found anything conclusive as of yet. I know it may not yet be the time for this to make sense, but wonder if it has some meaning to any of the other Kin here. Does it mean anything to the Vampyres, to the Elves, to those who have known the Grigori, be you one of the many aspects of Shadow or humanity?

I can say in all honesty that as far as I remember, it means nothing to the Grigori culture.

Az"

as I read the phrase you mentioned I felt that old familiar burning that I've come to associate with my memories, I was inspired to write this for some reason, I understand it a bit but not much, I hope it helps:

The dragon bears the wings of prophesy
to great incarnate come
blooded on the fly
incarnate in flesh rended wide
burning of like mind
from the ashes of elohai


By Azaz'el Dec 24 2008 -

I love the ways that things come together and knowledge seems to seep into the consciousness of us all around the same time.

Thanks for your thoughts Raven Wight, they speak sense. I have mentioned recently that over the past few weeks I have been dealing with memories and understanding that has surfaced and caused some emotional difficulties until I was able to accept it and integrate it. One of the key aspects was the understanding of this phrase
...the three strong and the dragon...

it now makes sense.

I will try to put it all in some osrt of order very soon and post it on here.

Az


By Raven Wight Dec 25 2008 -

I can hardly resist the urge to speak the full of it, though I know the burden of prophesy unbound. I shall in any case finish what I wrote, it will make more sense when combined with the companion poem, as is the old form.

TO CARRY FORTH THE STANDARD
BORN OF FLESH AND SHIFTING SAND,
THE THREE STRONG AND THE DRAGON CALL FORTH
LEGIONS SUMMONED FORTH TO BLOOD
BORN OF TRUE BLOOD,THEY RIDE UPON BLACKENED WINGS
AMMEN RIGHTEOUS DEFENDERS

The exact form of the poem when combined with that which was previously written, is to be discovered by the one for whom it is intended (likely meaning you Azazel). I hope it helps in any case. Now I understand what this is about ...


By Dreamsend Dec 25 2008 -

QUOTE
"I have mentioned recently that over the past few weeks I have been dealing with memories and understanding that has surfaced and caused some emotional difficulties until I was able to accept it and integrate it."


Same here. I'll also try to write a post about it, now that the worst ("worst"... it wasn't bad, just difficult. Like a hard puzzle played in my mind.) is seemingly over.

As far as the burden of prophecy goes, it's in my experience that the more it wants to be said, the more release occurs for those to hear it. I usually feel the burden anyway, but without knowing why, it's kinda as if I'm stuck in a tornado with no way to look. Information is a freeing agent, clears the skies and says "look, this is the source of the turmoil." Releasing what's in your heart is a healing agent. I'm glad to read what's written here, even if I have no idea what it means laugh.gif. I hope that you and/or Azaz'el provide the translation soon!

-- Angela


By Azaz'el Dec 27 2008 -

I am so pleased to know that I've not been the only one to have been suffering in this way. Not that I am wishing you harm Angela ( wink.gif ) but it's always nice to know you're never alone.

What you say about prophecy is also my experience of it too. It needs to be shared, to be spoken of, to be talked of and understood. Prophecy needs company. And I will share my little extra knowledge soon, in the hope that this too triggers some release in others and we can all begin to take steps forward again.

Az


By Ouza Feb 23 2009 -

The Dragon will come with his experience of Eastern wisdom. In Thailand the Dragon can be a bringer of both peace, wisdom but also of misfortune, it's all in the eye of the beholder. Listen to what Ishtahar has said in the beginning of the Three, one of them will have the experience of the Dragons way!


By Ishtahar Feb 23 2009 -

Everything is double edged, even more so since I have bourne the sword. I am tired of it.... the pleasure and pain, swinging like a pendulum. There is no peace. My pendulum seems to be stuck on the pain side at the moment and I just can't seem to budge it. Beginning to think that it is not for me to do. It has always been so easy.

How many times do I have to die?

And yeah....,before you say it, I know.... as many as it takes. sad.gif


By Ouza Feb 23 2009 -

Wasn't even thinking it, wishglow!

I'm just sad that your sad. We can all say that what we all understand what is written in stone but I'll be damned if we have to like it! Remember the way you felt when you were in love, where is that now? (I think I know for one that it never left, it always kept you a float and somehow as they say "it's better to light one candle than to curse the darkness! <--that is if that makes any sense to you?) Just knowing that there's another, for me is truly a comforting thought and changes the way I feel and think day to day! And once, what I thought was dark... is now light!


By Ishtahar Feb 24 2009 -

I never let the candle go out but at the moment it's burning me.

I think perhaps it is not for me to have love in this life, which is so sad when I have so much to give.


By Ouza Feb 24 2009 -

Ish, You don't have to tell me twice!

I already know that... from experience!


By Azaz'el Feb 24 2009 -

There is always hope.

It is all I have left after so long.

But it keeps me going.... and I have enough hope for us all.

Az


By Fate Apr 16 2009 -

QUOTE (Dreamsend @ Nov 18 2007, 04:14 PM)
"An associate just introduced me to the concept of a group of vampires that is descended from a "Dragon Council." Dragon here having to do with ancient concepts of the snake and large lizard (Mesopotamian beliefs), and the Annunaki, and somewhere along the way (in the middle ages) the descendant bloodlines formed a society... I don't know much about it, but that could be "Dragon" as a title, in such fashion."

I don't know, maybe this is too obvious a connection, but Dragon Council in connection with Vampires would go along with the famous dragon himself, Dracula. Dracul...i.e. Dragon. The order was created in 1408 by the future Holy Roman Emperor, Sigismund, as a protective order for the Hungarian royals against the Ottoman Turks. Their symbol was the dragon with its tail curled over its neck, and the St.George cross suspended above, all on a silver background.

Regarding Queen of the Lilies...That could be Mab, Mary or the actual lily itself, esp the Kimona strain. They're called the Queen of the Lilies.

For the person who mentioned Arohim. This is familiar to me. I mentioned before that I began researching paganism due to spirit contact as a child. My first visitor was a very pale woman with long black hair, that I referred to as Charlotte. I used to think she was connected to the house I lived in as a child, but when I moved here to CA, so did she. I have dreams of her, and in some of them she points at me, and calls me something that begins with "A" and has three syllables, the ending of which is something like "him" or "em". I took notice too of the name Elohim (El) the first time I read about him, but though the name was familiar, it wasn't what I was experiencing. I think Charlotte was connected to my former, human male self, and that in turn was connected to my reason for not being "me" anymore. I believe they were lovers, of a sort, and she is supposed to keep me on track even now. She's not always pleasant when she does it though, and I think it frustrates her that I'm not male this time around. I have just enough memories of them together that it occasionally frustrates me as well.


By Ouza Apr 16 2009 -

My take on this is:

Arohim = Half Grigori = The Dragon/transformed from the elements of earth and fire and given enlightenment!

Someone that, I was working on/with ... a long long time ago! She was not the first nor the last but the most beloved of all of them but after so long she was finally rejected by the others, that was the first time I cried tears of fire and felt true pain and sorrow!

The Feelings I had were new and to hard to control between us sometimes, if not all the time, but she would always lovingly come back and gave new meaning to unconditional love!

So much was the better for me. I the teacher now became the student and she had saved my ass more times than not!

Then there was a loss that made me want to destroy from then on... even more never to forgive or to ever forget just to kill that which I created!

While El, Odin and YJWH in more ways than one did have something and everything to do with this both directly and indirectly all wrathful in their own ways and respects yet wanting to create and be loved! But always at war!

But who am, I to say this, I'm just an self imposed outcast just like everyone else!

But then came the Persons, Personalities and Persona's all destructive all unforgiving yet creative and still wanting to be held, touched, caressed by a long lost love that, I eventually through many many life cycles finally forgot that is until now!

I still wanted to create a replacement but was never to ever experience that again in my whole being! Now I face my future as a once was warrior/destroyer with unfulfilled love in heart, despised, wretched and seeing children being burned to ash as I had once did and it destroys me both mentally and spiritually! Always misunderstood wanting to be accepted and loved and yet always turned or pushed away! That's was and is my personal Hell! Now I just wait for whatever may or may not come to final fruition ... I caused it all !!! mad.gif sad.gif

Mat/Ouza

p.s. The proof is in the Pudding --- I guess?!
"Riddles in the Dark, My precious!"


By Ishtahar Apr 17 2009 -

No, you didn't

Bump

(translations?? lol =\ )