The Nature of Djinn

Ashtart wrote:

Veil wrote:

I meant to say won't ascend.

Really? That sounds scary... or maybe good? I don't know, how does that seem to you?

I had to really think about this one. I've thought of this sort of thing before, when anyone brings up the possibility of The Rapture. Logically, being in a human body as I am, I should say it's scary. Unfortunately (?), I can't honestly say that it is.

It could be because in our true form, djinn don't have bodies. We're fire, energy, visible particles, call it what you will. So for us, having so many other lifeforms around is actually sort of annoying in the long term. It feels like physical and psychological clutter, although many of us prefer animals over people, because they don't generally give off what I call "the ectoplasmic ick factor". This factor is not so bad if you're in the djinn form, but in human duds it's an issue.

Some of us, like Set, like to stir the pot and create friction to feed off the negative energy in the air. Right now, he's non corporeal though, and since I am around humans all the time, I don't need to stir to find plenty of this energy type. So when energies flare due to everyday things, it starts to cause an overload for those of us that aren't seeking out the negativity. I ground, I do magick of other kinds, in order to slough off some of it. If I don't, I suspect my human form would deteriorate quickly.

My inside djinn (it's not an other half, it is me internally), doesn't mind the ick so much. In fact, in some instances I crave it. Which, being in a human form, is a problem unless I want to become sort kind of sociopath. I'm better at maintaining than I used to be, I don't lash out, and I choose my human cohorts more carefully so I don't end up around the kinds of humans that cause me to want to lash out.

I recently joined sanguinarius.org's board to see about psy vampirism in more detail. I was on the board a million years ago, but other concerns meant I didn't commit time to that aspect. Now, it's become an increasing need for me to look into it, not to mention the blood vampirism as my daughter definitely has that going on.

Dearest Veil,

Have you ever entertained the thought that Djinn may or may not in fact been Fallen Seraphyim from Mt. Hermon and the second fall?

Although I am Starkin, I've often wondered about their true identites and their beginnings?

What is your take on this?

Ouza

Hi Ouza,
When I first came to this board, I thought I might very well fall into the Fallen category. It's one reason I started interacting, and digging for more information. Another possibility was a Demon; Djinn was nowhere in my mind.
The idea of the djinn pre-dates Islam, but that is where most of the source material available comes from right now. God created angels and djinn (presumably at about the same time), with angels going to heaven, and djinn going to earth. The explanation in the Qur'an is that one angel later rebelled, and was turned into a djinn, becoming one of the problem ring leaders of his new group. No explanation is given on how it was physically possible, nor is it explained how an angel (which in Islam do not have free will, unlike the djinn), managed to rebel.
Muhammad said that was how it was, and no questioned it. Then again, as I stated in another area on the board, Muhammad thought he was inspired by a djinn, not God, and it was his family and friends that convinced him otherwise, struggling for power control after he died. It was in their best interest not to question the man, however much his ideas might run contradictory to one another.
I've looked at images of Mt. Hermon, which is currently best known for its skiing, while I remember a place that is sandy and arid, with not much vegetation except on the fringes. There were sandy pillars covered in writing, and the whole thing was on a platform that balanced itself (not unlike the one that shows up in the second National Treasure movie). From that platform, we could see the world below, but it took going down to humans for us to interact and we were often disinclined to do so. I've scoured over images of alphabets and languages as well, with what I remember being somewhere between cuneiform and extremely basic heiroglyphics.
Last, but not least, my memories oh my own physicality don't match up with those of the others here. I don't recall having six wings, just two, and I distinctly recall being a large feline around humanoids that were closer to what we'd consider Nephilim than Seraphim. The djinn are one of only three groups said to take on that kind of feline, winged form.
Now, the only other human life I recall having, that man could easily have passed for an angel taking on a human form. He had long red hair, was tall (about 6' 4"), muscled, very pale (redhead, you know), but he had the same eye color I do (amber). He was a soldier, but I sometimes suspect my memories of the actual war were just the present-me placing him in a context I understand (the American Revolution).

Dearest Veil,

Thank you for the above response. However 1 thing still bogels my mind...the idea of God Instructing his angels to not being able to express free will or choice and how would a band of 200 or so break away from the whole without anyone else knowing about it in heaven!

Plus I thought that later in history that it was Michael who mentored Mohammed in the cave! But I think that all those interpreters of the later established Koran would slip in like the other churches at that time and change it in to something entirely different in order to fit their own needs of understanding!

I have always loved the idea of Djinns, especially with King Solomon and his ability to combine them and harness thier powers to the better good and establishing his Gold Mines. But it's kind of funny that he towards his end used them to collect beautiful women for his harem! And even dieing and stiil deceiving them even in his death.

What is your take as to what happened to them they definitely didn't leave earth or did they? I'm really curious if you can give some hints as to their whereabouts or existence, if it be here or in another demension of sorts!

Ouza

I don't want to hijack the thread. Is it possible for one of the mods to move the part of the thread, starting with my post at 9:12 am? We already have a couple of places where I guess it could fit, elsewhere on the board. Alternately, maybe set up the sub forum Az and I talked about awhile back? Then I can answer this next set of questions. Someone else had PMed me about some of this, so it would cover that base too.

I suppose it would be possible for angels to not have free will, and still end up having a revolt, if God wanted them to have one for some reason. I tend to follow a lot that is in apocryphal writings, especially the ones that were extant for a long period, and then suddenly tossed out after the Council decided something in them was heresy. I mean, there are multiple versions of Genesis in the existing Bible, and it's described that God originally told Adam and Eve that he would kill them if they ate from the tree. Kill them. The serpent had them eat so they could have knowledge, and explained that God wanted to hoard it for himself. God relented after the eating, and just threw them out. But if God had allowed them to remain, mankind would never expand its experience, and sometimes that is more important than knowledge (as it ends up creating a knowledge all its own). So perhaps he was doing the same with angels. Give them some rope, and see if they hang themselves. Otherwise, if God didn't want them to exercise free will, then they couldn't (assuming God was all-powerful).

As for Solomon, whose better good? He enslaved a race of beings in order to build a temple, to honor a deity, that gave him the ring that allowed him to enslave the race for that single purpose. And why were they enslaved? Because they didn't want to just build it for him; they wanted to exercise their free will. It's too much like the serpent incident, and hence, why I typically believe of a egoistic demiurge. Then, once the temple was built, he went on to use them for his other projects (such as the harem). The twisted thing is, one of his wives was believed to have been the offspring of a human and a djinn.

What happened to the djinn? Well, I tend to think that some of them are still off in the desert, doing their own thing. Someone here mentioned encountering a being during a dream, and then PMed me about it later to ask if it was possibly a djinn. Based on their message, I said I thought it was plausible, because of the location, the fear that creature had in the beginning, and the magick involved. I won't share the dream, but they can if they decide to do so. I do believe they do cross dimensionally, but that's based on my own experience, and I could be wrong.

It could also be that what I experience is not djinn. I could be experiencing interaction with deities after all or I could even be interacting with some kind of fae. In some writings, djinn and fae are the same, it's more of a cultural difference than anything. The fae being European and the djinn primarily being Middle Eastern and African. The way that I see them, when they are assuming a humanoid form, is consistent with how some people have described themselves that believe their kin type to be fae. I just know my memories are of deserts, and writings more similar to those of the Middle East than ones found in Europe.

I once spoke to my guide about death and he said... you have nothing to fear about death because, when the time comes you will become energy and starlight. He showed me a picture in my head and it was beautiful

Thankyou for your response! lol

Ishtahar wrote:

I once spoke to my guide about death and he said... you have nothing to fear about death because, when the time comes you will become energy and starlight. He showed me a picture in my head and it was beautiful

That's a nice visual, and I can understand where that would remove the fear. I don't think I'll become starlight, but potentially part of a vacuum. With djinn, there is a broad spectrum of power. I think the most powerful are somewhat like the flip side of angels. The least powerful are like energy hiccups, and increase over time if they aren't just gotten rid of in the formative stages of life. Where I fall into that, seeing as I am in a human form right now? I really have no idea, but I think it will be a dark place. Even on their best behavior, powerful djinn seem to have a certain sinister quality about them, but I mean a literal dark place as opposed to someone sinister. Somewhere between the dimensions possibly.

Perhaps you should realize that if, that is your choice most certainly it will occur! Now I speak for myself here...
the codex is no longer and, it applies to all of the fallen one's Fey or otherwise. The door will be open for you when you die this time! Now it's not just as it was before... but as it should have been for all of us!

Ouza

Ouza wrote:

The door will be open for you when you die this time! Now it's not just as it was before... but as it should have been for all of us!

Ouza

The door? Please explain. I understand the door as related to spirits, but I'm not sure if you mean the same one.

Dear Veil,

What is written here are my own thoughts and beliefs alone and doesn't infer to anyone else's beliefs or ideas on this forum!

It's just means by using the terminology it, is to represent a moment in time of release from this reality unlike those in science which would normally state it be a window in time that each captive soul suffers from lifetime to lifetime. As Az would reaffirms that they are gates or portals that are to be opened for the others to be allowed to take on the next evolutionary level to their souls existence.

For me it is the reason I entered back into the incarnation cycle set forth by this planet so as to retrieve my fellow team of 207 and any others and guide them back through these doors or portals if all are willing to follow! But free choice and a willingness to move on is paramount if this is to occur succesfully through during this closing and beginning of the new shift and alignment which may or may not occur in 2012 or early 2013.

But I am also prepared to continue on here if need be until all will come to there own conclusion's as souls who are now free of the codex so long ago before set forth by our judgement tribunal! If but one stays behind I will stay to the very last. I will not desert those that I haved loved both one and all.

Ouza

Ohhhh ok. I see now. Thanks for the intel Ouza.

On a somewhat related note (i.e. being bound to earth forever), I came across something that made me go There is a site with a rather lengthy forum, where djinn are discussed often, but the owner of the site also sells jewelry that supposedly holds djinn in the pieces. So many of the posts are about the care and keeping of djinn as basically pets. I'll just post the link, and you can come to your own conclusions: Spirited Enterprises

Do you think that it would be for me to much to add the Djinn as part of that moment in time on Mount Hermon? Just a different perspective for I truly feel somewhat akin to all of you and that you all are apart of this past moment in time?

Ouza

Well, I'm not trying to be the spokesperson for all djinn-kind or anything, and what I share is just based on what I've been able to piece together from literature and my own perceptions. Still, I don't think it would be too much to say djinn were there for the event.

Geographically speaking, it would make perfect sense that djinn would have been present, because it's the ideal environment for desert djinn. Also, depending on your take of the translations in Enoch in particular, at least Seth would have been there (and where Seth is, there is usually a lot more).

It also sort of depends on if you believe djinn and demons are one and the same, and if a djinn is a watcher or a Watcher. We definitely spend/spent a lot of time watching, but to some that doesn't qualify as being a Watcher (which is certainly understandable).

Dear Veil,

In my opinion names are a dime a dozen! And what may have happened is only known to those who were actually there! So of course yes they were and in my opinion a very active part of the whole happening and successful beginning! Perhaps I'm wrong but my soul says otherwise! There was a lot going on at that time whice involved all of the Fey!

Ouza

Something occurred to me a few days ago, but I haven't had time to sit down and really flesh it all out. At the most basic level, I just wanted to point out that in many cultures around the world (albeit mostly in North Africa and the Middle East), djinn are seen as still existing. They're not only beings of the past, and events as late as the mid 2000s have included hospital, police, and therapist records from individuals that believed djinn are always around, and very active. I just thought it was important that I bring that up, because I think it also influences my own perspective on the concept of death and the afterlife, not to mention what may happen at the end (i.e. possible ascension).

So this was my horoscope for today...

"You have amazingly good ideas for ways to improve your financial and investment picture today. You may feel that you are receiving some kind of angelic or supernatural advice, because the ideas are so powerful and unrelated to your experience."

I've been working on a book for years now, but I haven't yet tried to find a publisher, and I've actually used some of the material in workshops already to help people in my SoS group. Unfortunately, I would also like to do a book on djinn magick, which is unchartered territory in Western publishing.

Still, anyone, anyone? Bueller...? Bueller...?



***Only half joking here.

Those that would know of the why's and wherefores of publishing books and such would be Az or Wishglow! Maybe even Ash! lol

Ouza

I should rephrase. I have a contact for publishing purposes, as my brother has published a couple of books.

I was just wondering if anyone had something to share, since my horoscope brought it up, and I was already had contact with so many angels. I realize that defining what is unrelated to my experience is difficult, but sometimes people pick up on things or they get messages from elsewhere, and are told to pass those along.

My feelings are to stay on the path that you have already started on! To much salt spoils the soup, as they always say! And ..... Break a Leg !!! lol

Ouza

I'm currently debating a forum for "dark" kin, but I see one was designed in Feb by a well-known person in the Otherkin community, and I'm waiting to see how that works out before doing one of my own.

Although, I've been having some PM discussions with someone here, and we'd like to be able to branch out without sucking up someone else's space. I also understand there are at least two other djinn otherkin out there who have gone quiet in the last year, and I'm hoping we might see them again.

No, I'm not leaving the SotF forum, just adding to the existing Otherkin community since a couple of people have asked.

There is always plenty of room in the world for more ways and opportunities for Kin to connect and reconnect and understand the path we all walk again. I hope it works out well and once something is up and running let us know and we can add the link to it in this forum

Az

Thanks Az. I agree, and will send the link along if it comes into being.