The chaoskampf, and the war against Gaia

A friend suggested I post about my experiences to this board, as it might be of help to some of you. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Though I take a position antithetical to some of you, I hope that we can be civil here.

Now, let me introduce myself

Thousands of years ago, just before the dawn of human civilization, there were some gods who saw promise in mankind. These gods wanted to assist humanity in domesticating the land and bending the other animal nations to their will so that humans could prosper and multiply. One might presume they were motivated by benevolence to bless their chosen species, but we would be remiss to forget that humans are a potent source of belief energy for deities and a population boom would create a veritable all-you-can-eat buffet.

Some gods spoke out against their plot, unwilling to disrupt the balance of nature for personal gain. It would give humans an unfair advantage over the other animal nations and cause catastrophic damage to the earth, akin to cells that become cancerous and destroy their host.

Unable to compromise, the gods of humans, led by the sky god, and the gods of earth, led by a dragon, waged a war so terrible that the tale would be retold in various cultures for centuries to come. That story is called the Chaoskampf.

Wikipedia says this about the Chaoskampf: "The motif of chaoskampf (German for "struggle against chaos") is ubiquitous in such myths, depicting a battle of a culture hero deity with a chaos monster, often in the shape of a serpent or dragon."

The original dragon of the Chaoskampf was called Kur by the Sumerians, and if you couldn't guess by my screen name, I was that dragon. My story has been retold/reenacted many times with many different names: Tiamat vs. Marduk, Typhon vs. Zeus, Leviathan vs. Yahweh, and others, some even into the modern day.

Although in the case of all these stories, the saying holds true: History is written by the victors.

Dragons, nature, and chaos were villainized, and a greedy sky god became a cultural hero. My friends, family, and allies who fought by my side were killed or imprisoned (although it seems fate has conspired to bring some of us back together in this world). The natural world was subsequently ground under the heel of mankind, reduced to property. The animal nations that were useful to humans became enslaved (domesticated), and the ones that weren't were exterminated in a genocidal rampage that continues to this day. We're in the 6th major extinction event in the earth's history, to give you some idea of the magnitude of the situation.

While I failed to stop the sky god and the gods of men, I cannot simply stand by while this goes on unabated. I and others are amassing our last reserves of strength for one final battle. The gods of men had their chance to steer things in the right direction, but they've become fat and slothful in their positions of power. The changes that they expect of their charges are virtually meaningless in the face of explosive population growth and overconsumption.

But the gods aren't entirely the problem anymore. The only way to turn the tide is a massive reduction in the human population, if not extinction of the species itself. Humans pride themselves on being better than every other species, but if they want to prove their worth, they would make the noble choice and refuse to procreate. If humans were to let themselves die off, the earth could heal herself, and the remaining animal nations could revive their numbers. 1 species to save the rest. Doesn't seem so unreasonable when humanity's actions and collective inaction claim over a hundred species every day.

You might think at this point that I loathe humans. No, there are humans that I love very much. But let's frame this in a different way. If a serial killer were going around murdering innocent people, would we try to appeal to their conscience while letting them roam free in the hopes that they might someday "see the light"? Or would we stand firm on the side of the victims, and stop the murderer by any means necessary? That is the sad truth of our situation.

The earth has, in a generous estimate, another 50-100 years at the current rate of consumption. The seas are expected to become like watery deserts by 2050. Deforestation will wipe out the rainforest, the most biodiverse place on the planet, within another decade. Global warming is not only causing sea levels to rise, but making life more difficult for plants and animals in the few places they are allowed to roam free. Pollution destroys the land, sea, and air, making our planet barely inhabitable. Species are being lost at a rate comparable to the extinction of the dinosaurs. Some 50 billion land animals are murdered every year by humans for food, and the ecological crisis caused by lust for animal flesh (which humans do not even need to survive) rivals even the problems caused by the world's entire transportation sector. As you can see, Gaia and the animal nations do not have the luxury of time while a few good souls attempt to reason with billions of ignorant, self centered humans.

If you don't believe me, I encourage you to find this information for yourself. As much as I'd love to believe that things will eventually get better, I assure you they will not so long as humans continue to dominate the earth.

Yes, the war is coming soon, I say with both anticipation and regret. I do not desire it, but in situations where someone must die, I must act on behalf of the oppressed rather than the oppressor. Though I may end up fighting some of you in the war to come, it's my hope that I can convince you to see reason and join the side of Gaia. While you may love humans, it is simply bigoted to value them above the earth and every other species. Biocentrism is the belief that the earth and non-human animals have inherent worth, and that humans are not above nor below them. Humans are a serious threat to the planet and every species that dwells upon it. Needless to say their reign must come to an end...soon.

As for what I'm doing to prepare, I'm doing the best I can with my human limitations. I wandered as a vagabond for a long time, gathering knowledge and experience on the road. Now I am in the process of building a small, underground den in a forest where I will live with nature as a freegan ascetic. While I'm out there, my focus will be on amassing spiritual power and wisdom for the final fight, and cultivating my inner draconity, of which my human ego is quick to suppress when I'm in human society. Then it is my hope that I will shed this form and become my true self, the serpent of fire and chaos, Gaia's warrior, Kur.

Ah Kur,
Memories have flooded me. I believe that big flood we had a few thousand years ago was your idea, no? As I've said to you multiple times over the eons: lighten up! The humans aren't going anywhere as long as His majesty wants them here. Yes a war is coming, but this is all so very redundant. No matter what these silly child spirits called human do... they are His favorite. And i do believe you and i have a rematch of some sort.. can't remember what for...
Lilith

Hello, Kur. I am Melari, a Keeper of the Multiversal Balance. I am specifically in charge of Earth, and even more specifically, I am the Deathkeeper. Pleased to make your acquaintance.

You know, for the longest time (relatively speaking), I believed that my brother—the Birthkeeper—was the one who most would call "God" or what have you.

However... it seems that I was sadly mistaken; my brother and God are two COMPLETELY SEPERATE ENTITIES.

It seems that the way things work is that the Gods of old, and currently the Sky God, rule the Earth, and Earth's Keepers are somewhere higher up in the hierarchy, making sure things stay in check, only interfering when ABSOLUTELY needed, even if they aren't going as they should (as they say, there is a time and a place for everything).

I agree with you Kur. There are humans I love as well, even a boyfriend who I love dearly... But in my home realm, I have my eternally beloved soulmate, my brother, my sister-in-law, and the other Keepers in charge of this planet who are dear friends of mine, even more so than any human friend in this realm.

... But humans ARE killing Gaia. They encloak her in concrete and metal; they embalm her in oil and toxic waste. They run her through with cables and wires and pipes, and they destroy all that she gives to those in the mortal realm! And though they think themselves better than others, whether those others are other humans or animals, they indeed are NOT.

Gaia screams in pain and almost no one can hear her. The Balance is becoming SEVERELY distorted...

As for Chaos, it is not a villainous thing in the least; Order and Chaos are necessary parts of the maintained Balance. I mean no insult to whosoever this may apply to, but this Sky God truly seems to be a selfish being who wishes for nothing more than to distort and corrupt what the truth means to those who do not know it in an effort of pure personal gain.

As a Keeper of the Balance, and as the Balance seems to be getting more and more distorted, I—and I would think the other Keepers who have been placed in charge of Earth—will assist you, Kur—and the others who will fight for Gaia—in any way we can, if not as soon as the battle begins, then when the time is right. And I too long for day when I can shed this human shell...

I look forward to fighting alongside you for Gaia, my comrade-to-be. Oh, it will be glorious to take away what is rightfully without ownership, so it may belong to all once more.

*ahem*... Also, welcome to the forum. =)

~Melari

Welcome!

I disagree with your solution. I think that humans are just misguided.... as you said the gods got careless and lazy. No longer do they listen to their hearts, as they think their mind is more important. I think they need to be remind them of the balance that needs to be. A lot of the are waking up to this. Its quite amazing... the more faith they have in themselves the better the planet does.

sagehawk wrote:

Welcome!

I disagree with your solution. I think that humans are just misguided.... as you said the gods got careless and lazy. No longer do they listen to their hearts, as they think their mind is more important. I think they need to be remind them of the balance that needs to be. A lot of the are waking up to this. Its quite amazing... the more faith they have in themselves the better the planet does.

Oh and to add to this... Gaia maybe in pain, but I assure you all she is way more powerful than a group of humans. I think its egotistical to say that humans can actually kill Gaia. The discovery channel did a documentary and found that it would take just under a 1000 years for the earth to fully recover from the humans existence. thats no time at all to the earth.

@Sage

Perhaps I put it the wrong way; it's not so much that humans are KILLING Gaia, but rather what she provides. You're RIGHT: humans CAN'T kill her, but they CAN cause her pain and destroy what she creates. I think I got a bit caught up in the moment when I said that they were "killing her"... ^^"

~Melari

sagehawk wrote:

Welcome!

I disagree with your solution. I think that humans are just misguided.... as you said the gods got careless and lazy. No longer do they listen to their hearts, as they think their mind is more important. I think they need to be remind them of the balance that needs to be. A lot of the are waking up to this. Its quite amazing... the more faith they have in themselves the better the planet does.

Agreed.

Anyway, welcome to the forum! You can call me Capsha, Cap, Cappy or Haniel, really.

Aloha Kur,

Many welcomes and many thanks for sharing your own truth with the board. Speaking for myself, as it seems also with Lilith and Melari, that has vibrated with some level of truth in my heart. Like Lilith, sagehawk and Capsha mentioned, I cant' say that I totally *agree,* but there is truth and relevance in your words... as far as I can tell

As we say, it's good to see where our realities do and do not intersect. We must all remember that we don't hold the whole truth, not for everyone - so we must keep an open mind and have respect for the visions of others, while remaining true to our own hearts.

Here you'll find that the main rule is respect for all. If you have information that you'd prefer to share with a few, there is the members only board. Otherwise relax, have some soy hot cocoa and some chocolate As with everyone, any issues with the board should be directed to any member of staff or to our loving admin

Ash

Moreover...

I wonder if the Sky God may be similar to who I describe in this old thread, here:

Ashtart wrote:

My memories around the time that I was searching for the Nephilym, following the war of the Grigori, went on. My understanding is that I never made it back to my people after that time, that that was when I went "missing." There was a force... i have mentioned Him briefly before... I can only see him as shrouded and darkened and happily vicious, full of greed. Somehow the deaths of the people I care about seem to benefit him in a very material way. I see that he has also persisted across eons, from the shadows, not in the light. He is never blamed but, from my point of view, everything is ultimately his fault. I remember his energy and presence from around the time of the first Fall, and not knowing what it portended, or caring about it.

At - https://fallenshadow.darkbb.com/t522-more

Somehow I feel that our goals are the same, if from splintered paths. I wonder if we can converge... if that is our fate.

=| Sorry for all the posting. Or if I'm taking an idea that's not related at all and running off... but a lot of things are suddenly *clicking* and making sense.

Like... all those imprisoned gods/large nature spirits that I recently posted about. Who imprisoned them to begin with? Did it have something to do with that war? .... I was one of the ones imprisoned, and I am connected to the Earth, and to the stars. She calls me to shine again, to return to who I was, which has frightened me before... but the more of us that are making ourselves known, the more I feel that that is a viable option

Ash

_el wrote:

Ah Kur,
Memories have flooded me. I believe that big flood we had a few thousand years ago was your idea, no? As I've said to you multiple times over the eons: lighten up! The humans aren't going anywhere as long as His majesty wants them here. Yes a war is coming, but this is all so very redundant. No matter what these silly child spirits called human do... they are His favorite. And i do believe you and i have a rematch of some sort.. can't remember what for...
Lilith

Haha, yes, the flood does sound like something I would do, doesn't it?

I cannot lighten up about ecocide, and I couldn't care less about "his majesty". When the time comes, I'll handle the problem myself if I have to. I've amassed armies before, and unlike in those old days, humans have made quite a few more enemies among the spirits.

A rematch eh? Let's save the fighting for the real enemy, shall we?

Melari wrote:

As a Keeper of the Balance, and as the Balance seems to be getting more and more distorted, I—and I would think the other Keepers who have been placed in charge of Earth—will assist you, Kur—and the others who will fight for Gaia—in any way we can, if not as soon as the battle begins, then when the time is right. And I too long for day when I can shed this human shell...

I look forward to fighting alongside you for Gaia, my comrade-to-be. Oh, it will be glorious to take away what is rightfully without ownership, so it may belong to all once more.

*ahem*... Also, welcome to the forum. =)

~Melari

It seems my time here was fruitful. Welcome to the resistance Melari.

sagehawk wrote:

sagehawk wrote:

Welcome!

I disagree with your solution. I think that humans are just misguided.... as you said the gods got careless and lazy. No longer do they listen to their hearts, as they think their mind is more important. I think they need to be remind them of the balance that needs to be. A lot of the are waking up to this. Its quite amazing... the more faith they have in themselves the better the planet does.

Oh and to add to this... Gaia maybe in pain, but I assure you all she is way more powerful than a group of humans. I think its egotistical to say that humans can actually kill Gaia. The discovery channel did a documentary and found that it would take just under a 1000 years for the earth to fully recover from the humans existence. thats no time at all to the earth.

Certainly Gaia can technically outlast just about anything short of a giant asteroid, however, you are misguided about what that means for the planet. Our earth is more than a hunk of rock floating in space. The biodiversity of the planet is rapidly declining. It is biodiversity, and the freedom of the animal nations which mainly concerns me. Not a big rock.

You say it would take a mere thousand years for the earth to recover, but recover to what state? When flora and fauna go extinct, they don't recover. Rainforest soil is so poor in nutrients, and has such shallow topsoil, when the trees are razed for crops or pasture (depleting the few remaining nutrients) it doesn't simply grow back in a thousand years, or even ten thousand years. Scientists are already suggesting that global warming has reached a point of no return, so even if humans went extinct today, the earth would be facing a chain reaction that would make many more precious plant and animal species go extinct. And these are only a few examples of the catastrophe we are facing.

There are many examples of places where the earth did NOT recover so easily. Look at Australia, which used to be tropical forest, now it is mostly desert, and almost all the megafauna have been made extinct. Humans did this thousands of years ago by setting fire to huge tracts of forest in order to burn alive animals for their dinner. The forest never recovered, and the biodiversity suffered greatly.

I am also concerned with the individual lives of animals who have been undergoing a virtual holocaust for thousands of years. It's easy to talk about animals in terms of numbers, but each one is a sentient, thinking, feeling individual like you and me. They have been trying to speak to humans for a very long time, but it's not in human interest to listen to those that they exploit.

Frankly, I find it utterly sad, but telling, that so many gods and spirits have gone along with human treatment of non-human animals, or turned a blind eye to it. But I will win freedom for my animal allies, even if I have to destroy every last one of their oppressors.

Ashtart wrote:

My memories around the time that I was searching for the Nephilym, following the war of the Grigori, went on. My understanding is that I never made it back to my people after that time, that that was when I went "missing." There was a force... i have mentioned Him briefly before... I can only see him as shrouded and darkened and happily vicious, full of greed. Somehow the deaths of the people I care about seem to benefit him in a very material way. I see that he has also persisted across eons, from the shadows, not in the light. He is never blamed but, from my point of view, everything is ultimately his fault. I remember his energy and presence from around the time of the first Fall, and not knowing what it portended, or caring about it.

At - https://fallenshadow.darkbb.com/t522-more

Somehow I feel that our goals are the same, if from splintered paths. I wonder if we can converge... if that is our fate.

[snip]

Like... all those imprisoned gods/large nature spirits that I recently posted about. Who imprisoned them to begin with? Did it have something to do with that war? .... I was one of the ones imprisoned, and I am connected to the Earth, and to the stars. She calls me to shine again, to return to who I was, which has frightened me before... but the more of us that are making ourselves known, the more I feel that that is a viable option[/quote]

It is very possible that they are one and the same. The sky god has had multiple hmm...identities I guess would be the word. Just as I am Kur, but I also have identities as Tiamat and Typhon. The nature of identities is not something even I fully understand yet within the limitations of the human ego. It seems to be that they are the equivalent of past lives for spirits. Whether or not they are egregores, or individual gods seems to posit a chicken or the egg sort of question.

At any rate, the sky god's current hm...main identity, its most powerful one, is Yahweh. Our main enemy is basically the Christian god. And here I feel the need to insert a disclaimer. Due to Christian propaganda, there is a lot of confusion for Yahweh with the Great Spirit (the one true God that flows through all things). Just want to clear up that my fight is obviously not with Great Spirit, and if you serve Great Spirit, you will not find an enemy in me. If you DO serve Yahweh, we might have issues .

As for your second question. It is possible you and I were involved in that war together. There were many beasts and monsters who fought by my side. I am good friends with the "rabid dog" and the "scorpion man" of the Enuma Elish, and they are both lovers in this lifetime.

Hmm, formatting got really messed up in that last post, and I can't seem to edit. Sorry about that. Hopefully the botched attempt at quoting is clear to everyone.

Dearest Kur,

What can I say but welcome home. Have no fear of disbelief for we all are horses of a different color here, either physically spiritually and or otherwise! The key is unification from an old cause or failure and to make it's effect made into viable future for all here who exist on this sphere of spiritual awareness/involvement. And that will work to the benefit of all to include Gaia and this solar system! What happens next determines how the dice are to be played and thrown.

I see so many parallels that we all have in common and it, is to achieve one final goal or truth that we are to be spiritually compatible as one. The call is to how can we do this together rather than beating each other up over wars squabbles and just plain greed?

Some say that a picture is worth a thousand words . So we as those beings who are ultimately responsible must find the words that define the an ultimate picture that is to be given to the world itself in a non harassing/aggressive manor and in full agreement to all.

I'm often drawn in memory to the movie "The day the earth stood still" How can we come to a neutral way of shocking the earth into changing for the better! If you know the book or movie you know exactly what I'm talking about. The screenplay is based on the 1940 classic science fiction short story "Farewell to the Master" by Harry Bates, and the 1951 screenplay adaptation by Edmund H. North.

This is our goal can we do it together or do we pass into oblivion? It's our choice to change or not too, if not for ourselves but all of mankind and beings of every kind in this Multverse we call home!


Ouza

Welcome to the forum Kur. What you say makes a lot of sense. However, I think someone needs to speak on behalf of humans. We've been batted from pillar to post for millennia. We've been used, abused, controlled, manipulated, raped, and god knows what else.

Pardon my passion but what you are talking about is the extinction of my race and, unsurprisingly, I have strong feelings about that. Yes, some of us are fucking up the earth, but how many comparatively? We're struggling against so many things, and many of them, I have to say, are the gods/council/ whoever. Our wars have almost exclusively been instigated and directed in power wars, and so has our politics.

I think it's a cheek to take the moral high ground and say we all need to die when none of you have done anything to help us in our struggles and none of you have stopped the interference of the higher entities.

In your image of the gunman... if the gunman took hostages and forced them to do his work against their wills, would you not try to rescue them before you take down the terrorist.

Ishtahar wrote:

Welcome to the forum Kur. What you say makes a lot of sense. However, I think someone needs to speak on behalf of humans. We've been batted from pillar to post for millennia. We've been used, abused, controlled, manipulated, raped, and god knows what else.

Pardon my passion but what you are talking about is the extinction of my race and, unsurprisingly, I have strong feelings about that. Yes, some of us are fucking up the earth, but how many comparatively? We're struggling against so many things, and many of them, I have to say, are the gods/council/ whoever. Our wars have almost exclusively been instigated and directed in power wars, and so has our politics.

I think it's a cheek to take the moral high ground and say we all need to die when none of you have done anything to help us in our struggles and none of you have stopped the interference of the higher entities.

In your image of the gunman... if the gunman took hostages and forced them to do his work against their wills, would you not try to rescue them before you take down the terrorist.

This.
Humanity is a used and abused child. I for one am here to stand up and say no more. Why does an abused child act out? because it is unhappy and feels worthless. This is how I see humans. A lost misguided race. They need help not destruction.

Agreed. Humans and nature. The divine masculine and the divine feminine. The mundane and the magickal - we all have common enemies. The masculine suffers in its oppression of the feminine, likewise humankind suffers in its oppression of nature. They are two sides of the same coin...

@Ish

It seems, at least to me, that not only do humans disrespect Gaia, but they also seem very wont to disrespect each other. A lot of those terrible crimes, at least in relatively modern times, have been commited by humans to humans. Humans have manipulated each other, raped each other, tortured each other, abused each other for a very long time. The good ones seem to get caught in the middle of it quite often, but it most often seems to me that these people are few and far between relatively speaking. I should know: I live with a human mother who seems inclined to say—in times of anger— that I'm striving for mediocrity and failure, taunts me with "Can I take your order?", and who at times will threaten to make me move in with my father (who I dislike quite a bit). I once told her to be careful because one never knows who they're talking to. And though I'm normally not inclined to hold grudges (I usually CAN'T hold a grudge, actually), I've quite a grudge against my mother. Sometimes I wonder if I even mean it when I say that I love her...

I just wish more people knew the side of her that I know...

And let's not forget her ANNOYING and appalling trait of CONSTANTLY ignoring my words if she gets mad enough. I never do that to her. Well, I did it ONCE, and only in an attempt (a failed one) to show her how I feel when she ignores ME.

I know it sounds like what I feel about humans is all based on how I feel about my mother, but it's not; I only use her as an example. And I TRULY hope this doesn't offend anyone, but I honestly feel that humans have become a less intelligent race over time (in GENERAL)... They used to be a LOT smarter (or at least had the capability to be) a long time ago. Don't confuse more knowledge for more intelligence!

~Melari

The truth is that our finest moments are most likely to occur when we are feeling deeply uncomfortable, unhappy, or unfulfilled. For it is only in such moments, propelled by our discomfort, that we are likely to step out of our ruts and start searching for different ways or truer answers. We are here with and for you!

Ouza

Greetings and welcome to the forum Kur,

I think the basics of forum rules and ideas and behaviour have already been covered so far, so it just leaves me to add my welcome and to add again for everyone following this thread that the views expressed in the posts are those of the individuals and should be considered with respect. Not that anyone has not done this, but this is an emotive topic so a gentle reminder is always welcome.

I have to jump in here and say that as Shadow and one of the Fallen, I will be the first to stand up for the protection and honour of Humanity as a Race. Yes, I am well aware of the destruction that has been caused to the planet on all levels, the extinctions and wars and carnage that Humanity has been responsible for. And my knowledge of this isn't just from reading a few articles on Wikipedia...... I'm an Environmental Scientist so I have quite a lot of experience in this life about it all. But perhaps one key aspect is being forgotten in all of this. Many members in this forum have had many lives over millennia, each as a human. Humanity is the great leveller, it is the Race that makes us all equal, it serves a purpose not just for Humans but also for ALL Kin. It is this Race and in this forum that we can bring about ascension.

Humanity has been used and abused by many different Races, including and especially Shadow, and then left dangling with half knowledge, little ability and abused trust. The fact that as a Race they are still struggling on and haven't died out is a miracle and something to be applauded. I don't agree with all they have done, but as a Human now it is my job......... as it is for all of us who are Kin but reborn as Human.... to offer guidance and respect and teachings to Humanity.

Humanity is here for a reason, so let us find that reason, understand it, and teach them, rather than abuse them as Kin have done many times over. We are responsible for how they are, so lets face our shame and heal the damage we have been responsible for.

Shadow will not let Humanity be wiped out.

Az

Thank you, everyone for your support of my race.

Having said that, and also having to say that just because atrocities have been carried out by human on human it doesn't mean that they weren't directed in the work by others. Humanity has become polluted and corrupted by the hands of others and I'm not denying that. What I am saying is that it's totally unfair to wipe out an entire race for something that, at the heart of it, isn't their fault.

Take away all the manipulation and, in place, give us some constructive help and well be fine. We've progressed from abused child to angry teenager and we dont deserve to the be thrown out of the house by the parents who've been abusing us all our lives.

Yes, I totally agree that humanity has become less intelligent the further we've strayed from the path of understanding and connection with Gaia, and that's not entirely our fault either. Do you really think that Christianity, is an idea we came up with ourselves??? That Jesus was a person I don't deny and he should have brought about a new and deeper understanding. But his teachings were, very early on, taken over perverted and used as a tool to beat humanity, to cut off our connection with our mother and to be beaten again and again and again by our father to the extent that he now hovers over us all with that baseball bat the whole time.

Changes need to be made and more and more people out there are calling out for them. If the non human control were removed we could do it. They are the ones who should be wiped out, not us.

Judging by some of the responses I've received, one would think humans have no free will. You're practically insulting the species you claim to care about, seeming to insist that they don't have the brains to tell the difference between right and wrong. As an activist, I've met many humans who can, but they are too few, too late. Time is fast running out.

And while the gods of men are certainly to blame for the broad trajectory of humans, people can still choose whether to play the game or not. But hey, since we're all just being manipulated, then we shouldn't have to face any repercussions for our actions. Let the murderers run rampant, they just had bad parents, it's not really their fault!

I'll keep that in mind the next time I see a human being assaulted by another human. I'll just do nothing. Or does it not count when we're talking about murder and oppression toward the species that you're biased towards?

@Kur

Well said. And it's a pleasure to have become a member of the resistance, by the way. =)