ARCHIVE: the future has come, time has come to reaveal ourselfes

By Venom of God Feb 18 2008 -

first of all i want to great all of you here, i am Sammael, the Venom of God, i had my awakening more than a year ago, but this is not why i came here on the forum...
time has come for us to reaveal ourselfes not, tell the world what we are, but we have to reveal the truth to the world, because, we stood in the shadows long enough, i would like your replies, to this topic, i want to design as soon as possible a multilanguage site, with ideas concepts, and a forum where christians cand come and get answers to all their questions, because we hold the truth, we must not be scared of questions, but desire them, as every answer starts with the question.
this beeing said i greet you again.

Greets and respects,
Sammael the Venom of God


By Lael Feb 18 2008 -

Greetings, Venom of God.

It pays off to remember that not one religion currently known to the human kind is the only pure truth. Christianity might entail many elements of the truth indeed, but sadly, that too has been warped almost beyond recognition over time by powerplay and political intrigues woven into the influencial circles of religious bent.

Even we who have come here are always blinded, to some extent, to the ultimate Truth in our current, temporary forms. I would strongly advise against arrogance; it's known to have pushed many that fell. ;-)

I am curious how you define the truth, then - what is it? The truth about what, precisely, would you prefer to start the discussion from? Please understand my question is merely to ensure we are all indeed on the same page, as this forum is inclusive of individuals who hold various beliefs. How do you, personally, deal with liguistic barriers while speaking of the truth - would you share with us the ways you've discovered, how the truth can be explained in terms acceptable by mankind at large?

On a side note: to reveal one's purpose through actions is to do the work towards bettering the world, in some way. To reveal one's identity thoroughly and completely is to potentially give power to those who might choose to use it against us. It's what you do, not what you are, where I come from. ;-)

What do you propose should be done in terms of working towards revealing the truth?

Peace.


By Faddewr Feb 18 2008 -

Just quick interjection:

Wouldn't those who are aware of the truth interpret it differently from the others simply because they are unique individual entities?


By Azaz'el Feb 18 2008 -

Welcome to the forum Sammael,

it is good to have you here in this site. I must also point out that this site is open to all, regardless of their faith or spiritual path. It can be a common belief that angels are merely a christian spiritual being, we are, in fact, much older and linked to the majority of all human spiritual traditions. So whilst your leanings may be towards the christian tradition, do you not feel it would be more in keeping with your nature to have a forum and site open to a larger community?

We have all stood in the shadows for too long, but as you will now be aware, this is due to the nature of our exile and banishment in the First Times. Now that we are awakening, and all Shadow are facing potentially the old enemy, you will find that many of us are looking for a common future.... a future where we can be open and honest and stand in the light of truth, and no longer in the sahdow of shame as we have for so long.

I shall look forward to hearing more about your plans for our future and what truth it is we need to share,

Az


By Venom of God Feb 19 2008 -

hehe, my allegiance is to my brother Lucifer, i stood neutral for most of the time, but the fact is that i have chosen an alligence.
sometimes arrogance is needed, but the arrongance that makes you want to become more than you allready are.
the truth is that many relligions hide part of their knowledge to derrive people to their belliefs, but the parts hidden in some can be found in others, if we all put together our knowledge, we can gather something that gets close enough to the truth to enligten people, we each have our own point of view, but if we put them all together, we can come to a point close enough to what we need, we all desire a perfection that can be only acheived in subjective matters, as an objective perfection is impossible.
if we all have the will to come to the truth than we shall do-it, our code is as we all should know : KNOW-WILL-DARE-KEEP SILENT, well keep silent no more, the knowledge must be shown.....maybe not all of it as it will drive most insane, but many of us, are masters of manipulation, we can manipulate people to their own best, can we not.
I am happy to meet you all here on the fizical plane:), the binding of the planes is closer than we all thaught, let`s hope for our sake that it will not bring the end of all existence
Greetings and respects,
Sammael

p.s: i shall reveal myself also, I am the one that many call Sammael, a former angel of death (the first angel of death more exactly), true angellical name Samay, nicknamed Samael after the rebellion and the fall of Lucifer, cast in exile, remained neutral for almost 17.000 years, hunted the lands of the fizical plane for many thousands of years, in this current life, i live in romania, petrosani, if you wish for more information i am willing to share-it


By Faddewr Feb 19 2008 -

Another interjection: I haven't been here a week and it's already beginning to feel apocalyptic.


By Lael Feb 20 2008 -

Hello again, Venom of God. smile.gif

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"sometimes arrogance is needed, but the arrongance that makes you want to become more than you already are."


What other kind of arrogance is there in an angel, I wonder?

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"the truth is that many relligions hide part of their knowledge to derrive people to their belliefs, but the parts hidden in some can be found in others, if we all put together our knowledge, we can gather something that gets close enough to the truth to enligten people"


Very true. But it is a human thing, to take only the suitable parts and discard the rest. We, for ourselves, need not sift through the human records of the truth because no human terms have ever described it accurately and without bias. I am pointing this out for the sake of discussion now; how do you decide which parts of which religion are the truth, and what happens when others you consider 'kin', who by right and origin would have the same extent of insight as you, disagree?

Also, you haven't answered my other questions. I am still curious to know what you think. smile.gif

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"well keep silent no more, the knowledge must be shown.....maybe not all of it as it will drive most insane,"


With all due respect, I don't think rubbing the knowledge in people's faces directly is ever a good idea. To rob them of the opportunity to learn through experience is to do the work for them. Facilitating enlightenment, sure. Giving them sanity-threatening revelations on a silver platter? Not really. I'm not sure that would do any good at all.

I've seen kin who snapped because their awakening didn't happen at a natural pace. I don't even want to think what would happen to your average mortal.

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"but many of us, are masters of manipulation, we can manipulate people to their own best, can we not."


Yes, it's true that we are - I was Illusion (very roughly translated, obviously), and nobody who isn't one knows more about warping reality. Ask the Morning Star, if you indeed can; he knows, too. The other edge of the same blade is that while we CAN manipulate people, we also, generally speaking, *shouldn't*. By violating mankind's free will you are doing them a disservice. There is a fine line between guidance and manipulation, and it must be observed, too.

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"p.s: i shall reveal myself also, I am the one that many call Sammael, a former angel of death (the first angel of death more exactly), true angellical name Samay, nicknamed Samael after the rebellion and the fall of Lucifer [...]"


Would you be comfortable enough to share the experience of your awakening? How you came to understand that this is who you are? I mean no disrespect, but I would very much like to know. smile.gif

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"I am happy to meet you all here on the fizical plane:)"


Likewise. smile.gif Please to meet you, again.

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"the binding of the planes is closer than we all thaught, let`s hope for our sake that it will not bring the end of all existence"


Now that we're on this: whole species being destroyed in disastrous circumstances has happened before in the history of Earth - five times, in fact. For absolutely natural reasons (look it up, it's science and not my personal mythology). I am actually inclined to believe (and there is research being done on that topic) that if anyone is ever going to wipe out humanity from the surface of the planet, it's humanity itself. Many scientists believe that the sixth time mankind might indeed suffer, as Earth's natural energy deficience might render it unsuitable for habitation.

Again, I am very much looking forward to reading your thoughts.

Peace.


By Venom of God Feb 20 2008 -

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"What other kind of arrogance is there in an angel, I wonder?"

would i care?, from what i know this arrogance always helped me:D

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"Very true. But it is a human thing, to take only the suit...........he same extent of insight as you, disagree?"


we are rational beeings are we not, by collecting our knowledge together we can come to a point where we decide, this is manipulation and this is truth

and we can keep people on a slow pace, give them info and make them think for themselfes, and make them ask questions, as they ask questions we shall answer them
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"ould you be comfortable enough to share the experience of your awakening? How you came to understand that this is who you are? I mean no disrespect, but I would very much like to know."


i have been awaken by accident, studied occultism for a very long time had a gf that i tought was possesed by the godess Bast, tried an exorcism, didn`t manage to do-it as she wasn`t possesd, bast atacked me thinking i`m human but it seems i have absorbed the atack and i had my awakening, got conscious of it a few months later, found my name by using a dreamcatcher,found-it written on a big stone of names, could only read mine it was the third on the stone,

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"the binding of the planes is closer than we all thaught, let`s hope for our sake that it will not bring the end of all existence"


i visited throuout my dreams and projections the place where the 7 planes bind, a few times, and it seems that it has a tendency to grow more and more, as you know it is more of a portal than an actual plane, i once stopped accidentaly there, and visited-it many times afterwords, it seems to overflow in energy in the last months

if you have more questions i am willing to answer


By Azaz'el Feb 20 2008 -

QUOTE (Faddewr @ Feb 19 2008, 11:54 PM)
"Another interjection: I haven't been here a week and it's already beginning to feel apocalyptic."

I can see how you could come to think that, but believe me, we haven't reached that stage yet! wink.gif

There is the understanding that big changes are heading our way now that the Great Cycle has gone full circle. However, the general belief is that the main focus and thrust of our defences and need to unite won't come into affect until the predicted 2012 uprising. So please don't panic yet Feddewr.

One thing to remember is that many of the souls being released and awakening right now are from those earlier tmes when we all faced war and revolt. So it's not surprising that so many individuals can initially have an apocalyptic view of the world, until truth, knowledge and a sense of time and perspective comes into play.

Az


By Azaz'el Feb 20 2008 -

QUOTE (Venom of God @ Feb 20 2008, 08:35 PM)
"i have been awaken by accident..."

One thought you might like to think about Sammael is that awakening does not happen by accident. The very nature of the process our souls go through in order to move from the places of exile to this world and physical incarnation are long, drawn out and complicated... and usually happen because the gateways keepingus in exile break down or weaken.

I don't know if this will change your views on the path at your feet or just confirm it even more.

As for arrogance in the Shadow..... it does exist, usually in the poor, misguided beings who believe they are better than all the other ranks and races that exist in the universe. Yet you will always find that they lose that arrogance and become weak at the knees when challenged or need to fight the tides of time. Personally I wouldn't see the drive to better oneself and increase in knowledge and ability as arrogance. I would see it as personal growth..... although I was accused of arrogance by wanting to ascend all of humanity.

I was also called stubborn. Can't think why. blink.gif


Az


By Dreamsend Feb 21 2008 -

I'm not sure about the rest, but at the least I think I can agree with Sammael that revealing the truth should happen.

-- A


By Sari'el Feb 21 2008 -

It should, but give it time. Not now, not yet. We're only just coming together here, and there's only so few of us. Now I'm not saying we should wait for our full numbers to gather, because without us showing who we are some might not even remember, or have these memories, but not be able to put them in any context known to them. But just give it time. Especially towards humans there is strength in numbers, especially when we have such little means to back up our story as of yet.

We'll let them know, but like Az said, you can't just hit them in the face with it. Might cause their heads to explode. Think along the lines of... Well take a large rock formation. What would do more damage to it, a tidal wave, or a little stream slowly eroding at its base?

Sed.


By Araqiel Feb 21 2008 -

Greetings venom of god so the puzzle seems to slowly become completed.


QUOTE (Lael)

"QUOTE (Venom of God)
"well keep silent no more, the knowledge must be shown.....maybe not all of it as it will drive most insane,"


With all due respect, I don't think rubbing the knowledge in people's faces directly is ever a good idea. To rob them of the opportunity to learn through experience is to do the work for them. Facilitating enlightenment, sure. Giving them sanity-threatening revelations on a silver platter? Not really. I'm not sure that would do any good at all.

I've seen kin who snapped because their awakening didn't happen at a natural pace. I don't even want to think what would happen to your average mortal."


Which has always been your problem Truthseeker and Shadow that is the Upholder of Skeptisism the need to rub it into everyones face - though who am I to critic speaking out openly and undiplomatically my self too often - and still bitter you are for what you've been choosen back then. Though considering that your direct brother Michael in his arrogancy sparked this war the above comment is sort of more superficial in a way and being another venom myself I must confess who wouldn't become bitter when being a weapon against creation or a part of it.

In so far *slight bow* welcome back again on the physical woken side of things.
I hope you enjoy your being here and some things get done. Afterall time runs in circles anyway so it we can only do so and so much and hope for the next return.

And excuse my own arrogancy but realy after all those time I hoped there was no need to spark it off where everyone left last times but then even heaven seems hell bent on old ways.*smirks*

On the positive side I talked with Lucifer already quite a bit, so far he or she keeps his own awakening at a slow pace so that other things are able to grow first though he or rather she remembers quite some things already, I recon somehow lucifel and helel must have merged even further over the past millenias to an extend that they might be indistinguishable now the same being and undividable from one another.
Though with Belial also at his side again the odds are not that bad.


QUOTE (Lael)

QUOTE (Venom of God)
"the binding of the planes is closer than we all thaught, let`s hope for our sake that it will not bring the end of all existence"


Now that we're on this: whole species being destroyed in disastrous circumstances has happened before in the history of Earth - five times, in fact. For absolutely natural reasons (look it up, it's science and not my personal mythology)."


And interestingly something like humans might have existet longer on this planet then science thinks.


QUOTE (Aza'zel)

"I was also called stubborn. Can't think why blink.gif"


You don't know what I've been called from stubborn, tyrannical, radical, unsocial, egoistically and so on. I mean okay if I would steer this bycicle that is fate I bet I'd have already used it to beat the half of those driven by it into coma and beyond. So I'm glad I'm only so much driving fate as I should be. sleep.gif

QUOTE (Lael)

"What other kind of arrogance is there in an angel, I wonder?"


That one's mission is more essential than the existance of any other thing and that everything needs an order. dry.gif
Oh and do not forget that as angels we just know it better, sort of ultimate mental dick comparison win it all argument: "I'm an angel so I know exactly how things are! You disagree? Eat fiery sword unholy fool!" dry.gif


with regards
Ar


By Lael Feb 21 2008 -

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"That one's mission is more essential than the existance of any other thing and that everything needs an order. dry.gif
Oh and do not forget that as angels we just know it better, sort of ultimate mental dick comparison win it all argument: "I'm an angel so I know exactly how things are! You disagree? Eat fiery sword unholy fool!""


Ah certainly, there are those who radiate that kind of attitude even before they open their mouth to speak. Let's not throw careless overgeneralizations, though, because not everyone I know, have known, was like that.

That aside, Araqiel, I wish you would make your point clearer.

Peace.


By Sari'el Feb 21 2008 -

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"I'm an angel so I know exactly how things are! You disagree? Eat fiery sword unholy fool!""


Just to lighten up the mood... I love that one. Made me laugh. A lot.


By Venom of God Feb 22 2008 -

=)))))) the last one made me laugh, miss them ol` times rolleyes.gif, i remember making fun with humans and getting along with them......anyways arrogance taking a bottom line is not something to desire, altough for an individual a litle arrogance is good, not denying that even a human can be better than you at some points, but you also are better than some in some points, so you have to be constient of that, because if you underestimate yourself fear will come into you, to much fear will bring you down, i think you see my point

by saying i have been awaken by accident i just said that my awakening was not intended then...i was counscious of it later...smile.gif

greetings again *bow* to all of you


By Ishtahar March 8 2008 -

There is such a lot to reply to and I am not sure I understood it all so i shall have to be selective. (By the way i dont know how to put quotes in so if anyone can give me a lesson...and yes Sed I know I have had them before from lots of people including yourself but I am an old lady and a technophobe and this is a different forum...I will try to do better next time)

How do we know what parts to take from religion....well I would say we should always trust our hearts. If it feels right take it on board, if it doesnt leave it alone. That is why I dont follow any formal religion because once you start putting labels on things you begin to become defined by the labels and not the thing itself.

Arrogance? In my outer self I am probably the least arrogant person you would ever meet and yet, I know i have steel in me if it is needed. It is a difficult question i think...how far should arroagence be tolerated or even feted as a quality in anyone, shadow, human....whatever? I suppose it all flows from your definition of arrogance. For me arrogance is the careless disregard of the needs and feelings of others. Strength of character is a completely different thing and those with a strong character will make themselves felt and heard without having to sweep others aside or walk over them to do so. So for me I would say pure arrogance is never a good thing. The trick is recognising the difference.

Stubborness? Nope. I am not stubborn and no one is going to convince me otherwise...never....no chance.

I dont think that truth should ever be forced on anyone. It is impossible to force anyone to believe anything. Belief is something that comes from within. If we force truth on humanity they will simply avert their eyes and refuse to see it. I like Sed's image of the rock and the stream...we have to trickle in truth so that humanity has the chance of coming to it by themselves. That is not to say that we should hide or fear the truth. It comes back to the force thing again. If we force ourselves or the truth into people's faces pushing them aside and walking over them to do it we will never succeed and neither would we deserve to.

Lael is so right about manipulation...and the same thing goes for any ability, power, weapon, tool......just because we can use it doesnt mean we should use it. We need to temper everythign with compassion and good sense otherwise we are just dictators.

And I love that quote too Sed. biggrin.gif