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PostSubject: Light in the Sky   Light in the Sky EmptyFri Sep 30, 2011 7:12 am

HOLY ::incoherent muttered half-curses:: Do I need to start doing daily installments here? I think I just saw a UFO...

Where I'm living, there's a kitchen building, then a yurt farther back, in the middle of the main garden, where my laptop and the internet live. I was heading from the former to the latter, having made myself supper, and planning to eat it while checking email and maybe watching another episode of Twin Peaks (like I need anything else surreal right now). I stepped out the back of the kitchen, looked up at the sky, and thankfully didn't drop my food in shock.

Between some tall trees, a gold light, more or less the color of a candle flame, was hanging low in the sky. It looked the way I always pictured the Christmas star: 3 or 4 times the size of normal stars, with rays coming out of it. Except it wasn't stationary... it bobbed around, like someone's head would while looking past something that keeps moving. I was doing the same thing as I watched it, to keep it in my line of sight as breezes moved the tree branches. Every now and then, the sky would brighten around it for a moment, like white light was pulsing from somewhere. I wasn't exactly scared: more like a cross between dumb shock and curiosity, while really focused on keeping that bowl of food from slipping from my fingers and breaking on the gravel. I walk past that spot every night, usually several times. I have never seen anything like that, and know there's nothing in that direction but empty fields. There are always search lights on after dark here, for some reason, but they're never on that side of the sky.

I watched the thing until it faded rapidly, again kind of like a flame, but on a burner being turned off. It came back very dimly, then winked out for good. That was when I noticed the thick clouds rolling in from that direction, which also looked unusual in some way I can't put my finger on. That might just be because of how weirded out I am, though.

I just heard sort of a whooshy rumble right now that I hope to God is a plane. I don't remember the last time I heard one of those here, on the northernmost point of the Island, but it's not unheard of I guess.

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PostSubject: Re: Light in the Sky   Light in the Sky EmptyFri Sep 30, 2011 12:25 pm

interesting, for sure... it definitely sounds off, Scratch! i'm not sure what to make of it, really... do you think it might have been another kind of Menehune? with you having seen the one there last night, they might be trying to actively reveal themselves to you. in both cases, were you the absolute only one looking at it?
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PostSubject: Re: Light in the Sky   Light in the Sky EmptyFri Sep 30, 2011 6:05 pm

They are very much related to one another! Remember, I said keep watch of the sky for the signs will point to a time of change for us all! You all a part of it's reawakening!

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PostSubject: Re: Light in the Sky   Light in the Sky EmptyFri Sep 30, 2011 9:52 pm

I'm the only one on the farm right now Raz, but good question... maybe I'll go into town later today and ask around. Even if no one else actually saw it, someone might have input on what it could have been.

It did have the same feeling behind it as the Menehune visit. Part "I can't believe I'm seeing this!" and knowing I'm not in any danger, but afraid to go back outside anyway. I kept feeling like I was going to run into little people (didn't know or care if they were aliens or embodiments of Nature) and I did feel very tangible presences around me a few times. When I was in the kitchen later, I suddenly felt very much that a huge person was in the room with me, but I couldn't see anything. It left quickly, and I got the sense that was because it did not want to frighten me, and my guard was still up. I actually got a friendly sensation from the light, and after - my own rational mind was the alarming part.

Again, something feels different, but without this time, instead of within. Also, I just remembered how I'd been reading a book someone left in the kitchen yesterday morning, that's all about the interplay of energies, and how we manipulate things with our thoughts, attitudes, actions, etc. There was an interesting exercise in it for cleansing dark energies, which I sat and tried - for the whole island! Maybe there's a correlation there. I definitely had the feeling there was some kind of consciousness within that light, and we were looking at each other.
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PostSubject: Re: Light in the Sky   Light in the Sky EmptyFri Sep 30, 2011 10:41 pm

This is probably a really obvious question and one that you have looked into, but is there a Gateway on the island? I ask because often there are or have been lights and strange atmospheric conditions and even weather patterns around the area of Gateways when they are activating. Perhaps if there is a Gateway close by you it is about to become active or even begin to open.

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PostSubject: Re: Light in the Sky   Light in the Sky EmptySat Oct 01, 2011 2:32 am

Actually Az, it wasn't, on both counts. I'm really pretty clueless about Gateways. I understand they exist, but have no idea how to recognize one. I was noticing today though, that the clouds I mentioned are still there, in the same configuration. It was raining last night, and misting a little today, but they don't seem to have budged, which is extremely strange. The wind seems to pick up in direct response to my thoughts or actions today, and though I've written two songs which I *know* are good with a certainty I haven't felt before, I feel very emotionally flatlined today: very serious, and getting down to business.

So, if you have any pointers on how to identify Gateways, or anything else about them you think could be helpful, I'm all ears. There could be an answer there, and I would be extremely surprised if Hawai'i didn't have any.
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PostSubject: Re: Light in the Sky   Light in the Sky EmptySun Oct 02, 2011 11:54 pm

hey, didn't Ash mention the Lava trees? that spiritual place you both went to on the island? i get the image of pillars of cooled volcanic rock, is that what's there?
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PostSubject: Re: Light in the Sky   Light in the Sky EmptyMon Oct 03, 2011 2:52 am

That's exactly what's there, Raz. The pillars were formed during an eruption 2 or 3 centuries ago, when lava flowed through an old 'ohia forest. For some reason, instead of pushing the trees over as typically happens, the lava piled up around the trunks, and cooled enough before the trees started to burn to leave a forest of hollow stone pillars. I think the local story is that it had been the favorite grove of someone Pele got mad at.

Do you think that's where the/a gateway is? The light I saw was not in that direction, and I'm almost all the way across the island from that place now, but as far as I can tell the while island is one huge place of power, with many concentrated pockets.
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PostSubject: Re: Light in the Sky   Light in the Sky EmptyMon Oct 03, 2011 9:55 pm

Those pillars sound amazing........... so instead of a Gateway made from just stone or wood, you could have a Gateway made from Stone formed around wood? That's a pretty powerful piece of engineering!!! LOL

It doesn't surprise me that the entire island could be a Gateway, whilst the 'doorway' is small-ish, the surrounding land that helps to power and stabilise the Gateway can be vast. Here in the UK we only have a few full size Gateways but lots of lesser ones, ans they energise the entire island of Britain, as well as the entire island helping to power the Gateways. It's probably the same for you over there!

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PostSubject: Re: Light in the Sky   Light in the Sky EmptyMon Oct 03, 2011 10:25 pm

Sounds like it could be. Also sounds like that could have been what I found so instantly appealing about England, while I was there. It was total "want to live here!" love at first moment, but I couldn't put my finger on why.

So gateways are a physical thing you can walk through, with energy being fed into them by the surrounding land? As I said, I'm really clueless about them, but definitely intrigued. I've been feeling a certain "spot," a direction my eyes get yanked toward, and a feeling of power that goes along with it, when I look at the field that light seemed to be over. At some point, I guess I'd better hop the fence and go have a look. As far as I know, it's open land.
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PostSubject: Re: Light in the Sky   Light in the Sky EmptyMon Oct 03, 2011 10:38 pm

Gateways are both physical and non-physical! Confused? You will be!!!

There has to be a physical element to any Gateway, a place in which you can step 'through', go 'beyond', something that acts as a threshold between the mundane world and the higher planes of spirit and energy. Even if just stepping between two physical Gateways, there is a spiritual pathway linking the two. The physical side to the Gateways was usually marked by trees, hills, wood, stone, and most of the time the portal is circular.

The inner aspect of the Gateway is very difficult to describe using language, or at least modern day language. But, from the basics this mixed up Fallen brain of mine still holds on to, the transition point in the Gateway dissipates the elemental particles that create the physical form whilst our spiritual/soul form retains the memory of what it was, and the spirit travels along the path between the Gateways. As we step through the Gateway at the other end, the memory of what we were physically held within our being is recalled and created to encompass the spiritual/soul form, and as we move out of the Gateway we are reformed and become physical and whole once again.

Does that make sense? I hope so!!

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PostSubject: Re: Light in the Sky   Light in the Sky EmptyMon Oct 03, 2011 10:53 pm

So is it kind of like a Stargate? Lol sorry.
That's kinda crazy/scary how your physical form would just dissipate like that. I mean, what if your soul forgot your body or something? Would you be able to re-make your body differently?
Can anyone walk through one of these Gateways? Where do they lead? How can you tell if one is open or closed?
Sorry for all the questions, it's just an interesting topic and I want to know more.
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PostSubject: Re: Light in the Sky   Light in the Sky EmptyMon Oct 03, 2011 11:17 pm

I was doing my best to steer clear of mentioning Stargate, as even though it is similar, the Gateways are spiritual rather than just being a wormhole! Very Happy

Whilst in that particular incarnation it's not possible for your body to forget it's physical form... physical beings always hold on to their natural 'shape' and in that way it's not possible for a being to step out of a Gateway and not be physical. I can't explain how the Universe does this, they were as much a part of the Source as everything else and my knowledge is shredded to pieces still.

Any Race could walk through the Gateways, but the larger key Gateways were specifically only used by Shadow, as we were the only ones who could open them............ but we could take others with us through them, as we did with Ish and others. The lesser Gateways were easier to open and were available to all Races..... but other Races had their own Gateways that were not accessible to Shadow unless with permission.

As for where they lead, well, anywhere and everywhere. Different parts of the planet, different planets, different spiritual realms and levels of existence. Everywhere had Gateways. As for how to tell if they are open or closed......... 99.9% of all Gateways are currently closed, they all closed around the time of ascension of Humans and the War that brought about the Fall.

However, as the Awakening continues around the planet and all Races come together and unite, so our link to the Source becomes clearer and stronger and so it is said that the Gateways will reopen again for those who know how to use them.

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PostSubject: Re: Light in the Sky   Light in the Sky EmptyTue Oct 04, 2011 12:18 am

Aw... I was very disappointed to read that physical beings can't forget their physical forms. I'm very keen to ditch this body all of a sudden, and it's very frustrating to me that I can't, outside of the obvious drastic measure which would only ruin everything. Razz

Thanks for the info, Az. That does make sense, and clears up a lot. It's probably just as well that they're mostly closed, for now. I could see myself being the type to leap through simply to see what's on the other side, and am sure there are even less responsible people who could cause problems with something like that standing unguarded, and unknown.

I'll let you know if/when I take that trek through the field.
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PostSubject: Re: Light in the Sky   Light in the Sky EmptyTue Oct 04, 2011 1:05 am

Lol I know, I just couldn't help myself :-P

Interesting. It does make sense that a physical being would keep it's form, it would just be interesting to see exactly how it would work. So what if a physical being went to a non physical realm? What would happen, or would it simply not be possible?

In order to open a gateway, would you have to metaphorically type in a passcode or something? Or is it more based off of energy signatures? How would you tell the Gate where to take you? Or could it only go to one place?
How do Gateways come into being? Do you have to physically travel to a new place you want to go to and then build one? Or do they sorta pop up naturally like a natural phenomenon?

"99.9% of all Gateways are currently closed, they all closed around the time of ascension of Humans and the War that brought about the Fall."
This hurt my soul... Do you know why? What happened? Who/what closed them?
I think/feel/remember this and why it happened, but there may be more to it than what I just now remembered. Unfortunately I don't know if I can share all of it now, because it isn't exactly mine to share... It felt like everything was being systematically shut down because it just couldn't take it anymore. I was so intimately connected to so many things back then that it felt like my own self was being shut down. And it hurt.
But you are right about what you said, more are awakening now, things are healing themselves, maybe soon we can use the Gates again in addition to so much else. And for that I'm glad and hopeful.
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PostSubject: Re: Light in the Sky   Light in the Sky EmptyTue Oct 04, 2011 10:55 am

What a fascinating experience Smile Had something similar happen to me when I was 12 or 13 and it was right before dusk, not as intense as your encounter but the scene is still fresh in my mind- was sitting on a swing at a park and looked up to the sky to see a blue light flash brilliantly behind a single white cloud, at first I thought it was lightning but the cloud was a loner and the sun was setting with no sign of approaching storms what so ever - sat there dumbfounded staring at the cloud for a while waiting to see any other sign of the bright blue light - it was almost hypnotic.

It seems as the veil slowly fades away our memories become clearer and we see glimpses of the "real world" - I may be way off here but Scratch maybe that "gold key" you were given a while back is a symbol that you have the ability to open a Gateway/portal...now that I think of it a dream I had posted on the forum some months ago (one about the Shadow searching for his sigil/symbol) was also a key reminder that I have that ability as well... hmmm I remember in my dream that once I found my symbol "all" could return home along with their loved ones - once balance and unity is restored the doors will swing wide - Like Az said only Shadow were able to operate the larger gateways

Way off??? Just a thought
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PostSubject: Re: Light in the Sky   Light in the Sky EmptyTue Oct 04, 2011 11:14 am

Who knows. I certainly don't.

This stuff is all very amazing and humbling and awe-inspiring, but also very uncomfortable, unsettling, and disconcerting. I know there's no point in wishing it weren't happening, or were to someone else instead, but damn. It doesn't make me feel special. It makes me feel very small, and significant to the point I don't want to be anything at all. I don't want to hate this, but I don't know what to do with it, and am yo-yoing all over the place. To the Source, universe, whatever can: help, please.
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PostSubject: Re: Light in the Sky   Light in the Sky EmptyTue Oct 04, 2011 11:45 am

Feeling uncomfortable and unsure about this is all to familiar for me, I understand completely - I may not be the best one here to guide you or give advice on which way to go/what to do but it seems all of us are going through some extraordinary changes lately - some good, some bad - but necessary in order for us to reach our goal. I've just been going with the flow, no matter how painful it may be or confusing, humbling etc.,

To be honest don't really have a choice ... you will gain your footing again and you know you have your "forum family" to help and guide you with that Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Light in the Sky   Light in the Sky EmptyTue Oct 04, 2011 8:13 pm

All true. And it does seem to all be good changes, when my ego isn't getting in the way.

Sometimes, the hardest thing to face is the loss of all the comforting lies. Essential, but brutal to that demonically helpless child inside me screaming for someone else to save her.

I had a dream the night before last, in which one of the spirits I love was cleaning a sooty coating from my skin. I saw myself in the mirror, looking like I'd been blackened in a fire, and completely lost it. I was totally freaked out, panicking and incoherent, so he had to take over like a parent, or as if he were dealing with a wounded animal. The interesting thing is, several days before that, he had showed up while I was walking around, paused, then said, "You look different." When I asked how, he said, "You're... black." I didn't know what he meant at the time, and completely misinterpreted that and the feeling of unease it gave me. I kept waking up during that dream, so he even had to keep pulling me back to finish the job properly. I distinctly remember wanting to get up and start my day, hearing "No. Wait. Come back here, and give me your other leg." then being asleep again for another half hour or so.

You'd think being cleaned up like that would make me feel better, and it has deep down, but that layer was "protective," in all the worst ways. I see all the ways I've been lying to myself, building myself up and ignoring reality, and that was a hard thing to face all at once, head on. So thanks for responding to my whining the way you did, and I know. We're all in this together, even if physically apart. That's why the Forum is so important, especially now.
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PostSubject: Re: Light in the Sky   Light in the Sky EmptyTue Oct 04, 2011 10:02 pm

Ari'el wrote:

In order to open a gateway, would you have to metaphorically type in a passcode or something? Or is it more based off of energy signatures? How would you tell the Gate where to take you? Or could it only go to one place?
How do Gateways come into being? Do you have to physically travel to a new place you want to go to and then build one? Or do they sorta pop up naturally like a natural phenomenon?

I wish I could give you the answers to all your questions, but I can't. As you well know, the Fall scrambles the memory and is supposed to remove all knowledge. I'm lucky to have what I still have and much of it makes no sense. IN a strange way I'm pretty sure I could still use a Gateway if they were to open tomorrow, but I wouldn't necessarily know how I was using it.

THere is no passcode, the Gateways register to the energy/spirit of the being and the intent of that being. I think the transit between one place and the next was again done with intent and will. As for how they came into being......... I can't remember.

As for the question of what would happen if a physical being tried to enter a non physical world/realm......... well, unless they were able to consciously transform their being themselves, as Shadow could, then nothing would happen, the Gateway just wouldn't open.

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PostSubject: Re: Light in the Sky   Light in the Sky EmptyWed Oct 05, 2011 1:17 am

The Morning Star was never a whiner - if anything you were the total opposite Smile Denial was my best friend for a long time but I always felt suffocated and at odds with myself. Coming to terms with who I was and what I had done was extremely difficult and painful but liberating at the same time. A wise old soul once told me "It's not easy be us" ...and no it certainly is not - I mean it's not like we can take the obvious approach and frequent a psychiatrist and say "So..just found out I am the Angel Gabriel reincarnated and I've reconnected with some old friends such as Lucifer who's also incarnate here on earth and we seem to be having some issues with acceptance and denial...any suggestions???? " Razz

With your dream it sounds like it "may be" representing you cleansing your soul of the negativity and lies that have surrounded and protected you all these years - or possibly kept you in a sane frame of mind until you were able to accept and process who you are and all of the memories that come with being what we are. Your eyes are opening to the truth. We will suffer through these changes together and become who/what we once were - but stronger - and for some of us hopefully be the wiser and more humble.

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PostSubject: Re: Light in the Sky   Light in the Sky EmptyWed Oct 05, 2011 1:09 pm

::chuckles:: I'm tempted all over again to go to confession now. I've never been Catholic, but sometimes get a giddy curiosity about what a priest would say if I told him Lucifer just walked into the booth, and wants to know if it's a sin to keep swinging back and forth over whether I believe these musicians talking to me in my head. Charles Manson was convinced The Beatles were sending him secret messages with The White Album, after all...

Which would you say is the sane frame of mind? I'm not interested in keeping a logical face up anymore. I'd rather be honest and get to the bottom of all this, so I can quit wondering already. Everyone I talk to about this stuff takes it more in stride than I do, though of course I am selective that way.

Back to the other conversation going on in this thread, Az, I'm sure you would know what to do if/when you come across a Gateway. There have been a lot of instances where something was happening that I was clueless about, but the angel in me simply took over and did exactly what was needed. I get the feeling that thinking too much might be a habit we have in common.
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PostSubject: Re: Light in the Sky   Light in the Sky EmptyWed Oct 05, 2011 9:20 pm

Do you really think that I am taking any of this in my stride?

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PostSubject: Re: Light in the Sky   Light in the Sky EmptyWed Oct 05, 2011 10:33 pm

::chuckles:: Well, you haven't suggested I may be unhinged yet.

Stands to reason you're doing about as well with your personal stuff as I do with mine. ::hugs of mutual support::
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PostSubject: Re: Light in the Sky   Light in the Sky EmptyMon Oct 10, 2011 10:07 pm

Lol! I love those images of telling the psychiatrist or the priest about being an angel and all of that.
I've been to two different psychologists through my life mainly due to my health issues, parents' divorce, and panic attacks (woohoo). I ended up telling both of them about otherkin and some of my strange experiences, but also expressed some doubt and at least the realization that it may sound completely nuts to them. Oddly enough, they took it fairly well. The first one kept saying things like, "Who am I to say what's real or not? If it was a real experience for you, then it was real." The other one seemed curious and even went out of his way to do some research on otherkin and asked me some questions about it. 


Sorry Scratch, now I'm going to hijack your topic again! :-p

Az, I'm sure you could use a gate if you found one, it would come back like instinct Smile. And using intention to use gates makes a lot of sense... Lots of things in the "magical" world can be accomplished through intention.
It's ok if you don't remember everything, thank you for answering my questions as best as you can anyways.

In regards to the gateways...Here is the rest of what I felt/remembered: The Shadow on Earth had their own individual manifestation of the Source, this may be what was in our Temple. From what I feel and remember, this manifestation of Source was very much his own being with his own consciousness, intelligence, emotions, etc, while at the same time still being the same as and linked with the 'all and everything' Source... An aspect. ...I really hope that makes some sort of sense to you, even if you disagree...
The ascensions of humans hurt our 'Source'. 'He' wasn't ready for those new links that were forced upon him, the humans may not have been ready either. If only things had been allowed to happen in their due time it would have been ok. Our manifestation of Source was overwhelmed, hurt, struggling, He couldn't take it anymore, the new energy, the new thoughts and links, they were foreign and strange. And to make things so much worse there came the War. The Source could see everything through my (our?) eyes. Brother slaying brother. Children screaming. Families torn apart and slaughtered. 
Source couldn't handle it, he couldn't take it anymore, and I really don't blame him. Our Source was on the brink of... I'm not entirely sure what, something very bad...losing his mind, exploding, destroying everything. I'm not sure. So instead he shut down, turned off and turned away, retreating into himself, closing everything down with him. I don't blame him for this either, it was the better option. I felt it all. I felt our Source's pain leading him nigh on insanity. I know you may be thinking something like, "how could the Source possibly be overwhelmed and hurt by this? It is the /Source/!" And I'd understand where you're coming from. However, I feel that our manifestation of the Source wasn't the whole, entire, universal Source. He was just one bit of it, just one aspect, and he was there for a specific purpose. He was not designed to handle forced and unexpected links and ascensions.
I can see myself in my light form, standing in a field surrounded by green hills and trees when I felt this happen, and I dropped to my knees in pain and shock. I was still Ari'el then, but that didn't matter, I was my true self at that moment. It felt like a systematic shut down of all links and Gateways, and who knows what else. This may even have been when the 'Veil' came down. As I said before, I used to be so intimately connected and one with everything that I felt like my own being was being shut down. And I could feel our Source. I felt it all. Links were broken, Gateways closed and locked, barriers between worlds went up. It was like nature and magic had fallen asleep. It was a self defense mechanism. 
I feel really weird saying this, but there's this little nagging feeling at the back of my mind that's making me wonder if all of this shutting down was also part of the "punishment."  :-/
If anyone else remembers anything about when the Gateways closed, even if it's completely opposite to my recollection, I'd really like to hear it.
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