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PostSubject: Re: Meditation of Source   Meditation of Source - Page 2 EmptyTue Oct 11, 2011 10:14 pm

Don't worry Opal, we all have our own views and understanding and we are all entitled to say what we think. For me it's a strange concept to think that something that was once as much a part of me as breathing is will no longer be there and that somehow the Source no longer wants a link with its own creation and therefore itself, is just something almost impossible to understand or grasp.

However, we are all have our own understanding based on who and what we were and are and in the end we will all know the answer in time.

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PostSubject: Re: Meditation of Source   Meditation of Source - Page 2 EmptyThu Oct 13, 2011 7:37 pm

It really does seem to me that there is a foreign, dark energy running rampant in the world. I think we've all gotten a dose of it, and are fighting it, but some people succumb more, or fight it less. That could be what the Source does not want to let in, because I do not think this energy is a part of the Source's creation, but its nature is to twine itself as inextricably as possible into light. I think this energy is the legacy of the First War, and that is the main reason I do not think we actually won that war. At best, it was a stalemate, and we're still in the midst of it.

So, of course the Source does want to connect with us, and us to connect with the Source. However, the Source does not want this dark energy, which is drawn to and attaches itself to light. Does that make any sense?
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation of Source   Meditation of Source - Page 2 EmptyFri Oct 14, 2011 7:27 am

Ouza wrote:
The freedom of choice was put to stone, once I created both Adam and Eve!

This statement has been bothering me since you wrote it, Ouza. We taught humanity a lot, but I don't remember any of us having anything to do with their creation.
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation of Source   Meditation of Source - Page 2 EmptyFri Oct 14, 2011 2:06 pm

I agree with Scratch. Ever since you started talking about genetically manipulating humans I've felt very uncomfortable and it took me a while to put my finger on it. I feel that we did not create humans, they were already here. And genetically manipulating humans bothers me as well. It feels wrong and unnatural to me. I don't remember anything like that... And if there was a case of genetic manipulation, then I certainly had nothing to do with it! We did have some influence on humanity through teaching them and guiding them, but that is all I remember.
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation of Source   Meditation of Source - Page 2 EmptyFri Oct 14, 2011 2:54 pm

It sounds funny and daring but it is in fact totally correct! You have always stated that we possessed wings which in fact we did not! Portrayals of angels in Christian art began to change with the advent of Constantine's reign as emperor of Rome in the 4th century. The council of Nicea in 325 A.D. formed Christianity as the religion of the state, and it was after this that angels with wings, baby angels, and female angels, as well as halos, began to appear in Christian art. Prior to this period Christian art did not portray angels with wings so as not to give the impression of paying homage to a host of pagan deities as did the ancient Greeks, Romans, and Egyptians.
However, after the 4th century, angels with wings not only began to appear in Christian art, but also began to mimic the winged deities found in ancient Mesopotamian art. The image of a cherub as a tiny, winged baby follows the tradition of the art found in ancient Rome and Greece, and has no resemblance to the description of the cherubim’s described by Ezekiel in the bible.
Now here lays the Conundrum! Who and just what exactly were we? Well it definitely wasn’t from here was it? So technically we were alien to this planet? But what was our purpose?
My chosen vocation was a geneticist (Seraph) hoping in secret that someday that behind the back of our superiors I could in fact create a race or races of beings that would shine above all others rather than just being sheep led to the slaughter which is what this world was destined to be if I hadn’t have stepped in and altered the genome. But I in fact was not the first to be assigned here! However the first to break the codex rules of this planet set by the others.
I submit this as just a taste of whom or what was truly there who created both Adam and Eve! I must further reiterate that the first 2 Geneticists were involved with both Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal prior to this occurrence! The world at that time was also used like Australia was! Perhaps a haven or even a remote prison of sorts for other races from other solar systems. While others plundered her resources for monetary gain or power over others!
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=H8314
Twin snakes or used as a symbol ~ Caducea referring to a geneticist in Eden with an ulterior motive? Go figure!
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation of Source   Meditation of Source - Page 2 EmptyFri Oct 14, 2011 3:36 pm

I agree with Ariel and Scratch.
I am really uncomfortable with the idea of humans being 'created'... or genetically enhanced.
My personal view of this is... You were 'Playing God' and no one should take up that role. Things should be left to evolve on their own; when they are ready to move up in life.
That is however just my view on the subject, so please don't take offence.

Also Ouza you say that you's never possessed wings? This confuses me because... others have mentioned having wings. Could you explain more please? Maybe I've just misread what you've written?
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation of Source   Meditation of Source - Page 2 EmptyFri Oct 14, 2011 4:36 pm

I have withheld this for a very long time due to the reactions that might incur which they most certainly have now. We were not mystical creatures but those in charge desired it to be perceived that way. So we all played our roles until Mount Hermon. But the purpose and willful destruction by those sent to destroy us was actually fulfilled by changing that which we really were. No body likes to be thought of as just stock but those who were then in flesh at that time most certainly felt that. As I stated before Our Lifespans could last to be 1000 yrs so all of this did not happen in just one week or even 100 years.

You all have been brought up into thinking that Angels and Demons fit into a specific frame of description and lifestyle. But let me remind you that that's exactly why I was condemned simply because I took wishglow into my confidence by trying to explain and fill her in on what and who we truly were! You all existed at that time but not as you perceived yourself"s to be! That is the part that has been deliberately withheld to mankind since now! We had other extenuating reasons for being here that you were later led to believe otherwise.

We were not representative of a God or even God's as we so willfully professed to be. We were more than that and yet less what was to be expected or believed in!

And I must further remind of the signs in the sky. Those vessels that have been identified by others are here for one thing! To get front row seats as to what and how this planet will react when they truly find out what they were and to what they are to become of it!
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation of Source   Meditation of Source - Page 2 EmptyFri Oct 14, 2011 4:45 pm

We all were being manipulated by the so called powers that be! And Opal I totally understand. It took me 64 years to finally find Az and my wishglow and finally become aware of whom and what we really were and are and as to where we go from here!

Ouza Like a Star @ heaven
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation of Source   Meditation of Source - Page 2 EmptyFri Oct 14, 2011 7:34 pm

You may not have wings, Ouza, but I feel mine. I'm not talking in any mythical sense. I literally feel energy emanations sprouting from my back, and have, more and more, throughout the years I have spent uncovering these memories and sharing them. I do not seem to be alone in this sensation, and it is not out of any Christian belief. I never heard about angels growing up in church, real, mythic, or otherwise, and did not even believe in them until all these things I have shared were happening to me.

Speak for yourself. What you say does not line up with what I perceive and remember. You keep telling us your impressions of us, and expect us to accept them even when they go against our own, though you have not once even alluded to (apart from websites) where you are getting this information. Sem was an angel. If you are not representative of God or the Source, then who or what are you?
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation of Source   Meditation of Source - Page 2 EmptyFri Oct 14, 2011 8:00 pm

Scratch,

I have never denied you feeling the way that you do. But spirit is very accommodating to each persons feelings hopes or dreams and as I have stated before your reaction has not allowed you to listen or even grasp on to the truth as it truly was and still is!

On that mountain I claimed responsibility for our actions as far as the genome project while you others fulfilled the needs and want of those who were so reluctantly left here to face it alone! Only Az and Dan would stand behind me and well the others made their own promises to themselves that day a long long time ago.

What happened to our love and friendship? I see and feel you retaliating because it makes you supposedly somewhat more inferior which in fact it doesn't. It gives you the facts that you need in order to make yourself further aware of your standing in all the universes. I've never doubted you nor would I had ever expected it but now you show a different face towards things because you think you have been belittled in someway, which in fact that I can see has ever been done by me. I have always supported you and tried to guide you on the path that you have chosen to follow. Though you may or may not remember it as I do does not negate the fact of it ever have been so!

Honey, I am truly at a loss. I have not belittled you in any way shape or form. As you say if I'm wrong the truth will bear itself out in due time. But don't turn your back on someone who cares for you just because he says he or others had no wings! Like a Star @ heaven
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation of Source   Meditation of Source - Page 2 EmptyFri Oct 14, 2011 9:54 pm

You are the one who perceives me feeling belittled or inferior, and I don't know where you got that from either.
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation of Source   Meditation of Source - Page 2 EmptyFri Oct 14, 2011 10:02 pm

Then why are you reacting negatively about the whole thing! Like a Star @ heaven
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation of Source   Meditation of Source - Page 2 EmptyFri Oct 14, 2011 10:05 pm

Most of your reactions here are stemming from something else within your self! Whatever or whomever it is or what I represent to you I do not know nor do I feel that you would care to know! Still love you!
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation of Source   Meditation of Source - Page 2 EmptyFri Oct 14, 2011 10:31 pm

As much as we all feel very strongly about what we know, what we remember, what we feel, it is vital that we remember that these are all personal to us....... as individuals. This forum is all about sharing what we feel and think and finding the common ground that we share in these memories. No one, not the Admin, not the Moderators and not the Members, have the right to state what is true, real or fact. This is a place to share what is our own truth, to see how it compares to the memories of everyone else.

No one can or will be allowed to say what is 'true' and ignore or dismiss the opinions of others.

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PostSubject: Re: Meditation of Source   Meditation of Source - Page 2 EmptySat Oct 15, 2011 1:00 am

Ouza, I asked you a question. Instead of answering it, you tried to guilt trip me. Who is reacting negatively here?
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation of Source   Meditation of Source - Page 2 EmptySat Oct 15, 2011 11:53 pm


Az, Scratch...I was re thinking about what I said about the Source not wanting links... and I had realization of some kind.
I still feel like the Source might not want links... but then I realised that even if that was the case it would still take them. It would take them because its feelings towards you and everyone else override its own person feelings. It's need to care about the Shadow and everything else comes top over it's own feelings. As you said Az it is like your mother and father and parents always put their emotions for their children above their own..
I know you's may say that it doesn't have feelings or it's not aware of it's self on that level but I personally think it is.
So...what I'm trying to say is... You will get your links back soon.
I hope that makes sense and I hope you's don't mind me sharing these thoughts Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation of Source   Meditation of Source - Page 2 EmptyWed Dec 28, 2011 1:02 pm

Opal, I agree with what you originally wrote, actually.

I don't identify as "the Source" because I don't think the Source is incarnate. But I do think that I made up part of the "fabric of the world" and what and how we can interact with each other. As one of those parts, yes, I strongly feel that I wouldn't want to link back into the world, because of what Scratch mentioned. All of the pain and the darkness swirling around, that wans't there before, wasn't part of the original creation.

...Though having typed that "wasn't part of the original creation" I wonder if what else Scratch wrote about the remnants from the first war is true too... I don't think they are part of this creation either.
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation of Source   Meditation of Source - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 30, 2011 6:26 pm

That's part of the reason why we are back here, Ashtart. To kick out that darkness and protect the world from it. Right the wrongs, and return this world to the way it is meant to be.
I, too, am a part, an aspect, of the fabric of the universe.
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation of Source   Meditation of Source - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 30, 2011 10:43 pm

well, if i may weigh in on the subject, something occurs to me. Ignoring what i personally have said and theorized upon previously, and also....

SPEAKING THEORETICALLY:

maybe it's not so much that you, me or any of us are a definite, integral part of the source -because it seems more and more that everyone is to some degree-, but rather you, as an individual, have found and very deep and intimate way of connecting and interacting with it, to the point where the thoughts and memories flow easily from it to you as though you were a deep part of it? the same of course would apply to me and Opal here, implying that we have/will spend a great deal of time close to the center, assuming the dimensional aspects of the Source [be they 3, 4 or even 5 dimensional, if we're getting REALLY freaky] would even allow it to HAVE a spacial/geographical/topographical/WHATEVER center....

i'm getting too in depth here ._.

bottom line: perhaps you are, but in my opinion, there's still quite a magnitude of information we don't know about the source, with no guarantee our current status as 3 dimensional, quasi-four-dimensional beings would even be able to process it if we could learn it...
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation of Source   Meditation of Source - Page 2 EmptySun Jan 01, 2012 5:08 am

I think I understand what you're getting at. I'll use my own experience as an example. Regardless of what I was before, whether it was indeed an aspect of the Source, or if it was a soul like any other (I believe all souls are from the Source and therefore ARE the Source in a way) I am now incarnate in a human, three dimensional body. Having undergone incarnation, much is forgotten, and for most of this time I have not felt like I am the Source or even have a connection to the Source. But my connection is growing, and some days I feel so incredibly connected to the Source, that thoughts, inclinations, knowing, and so forth flow between us as though we are one. It's kind of like a big cycle.
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